Truth is Timeless

[labelwench]

Hello Jag.

Thank you for inquiring after my well-being. The 'horse dose' of Ibuprofen that the doctor has put me on seems to be having no serious side effects beyond making me somewhat introspective and fairly quiet, and I sleep exceptionally well, lol, although apparently I am a noisy sleeper on meds, sawing the winter firewood according to my spouse. Ah well, this shall surely pass.

Your wife must have experienced some significant pain following the accident as Percocet is Endo Pharmaceuticals' North American brand name for oxycodone/acetaminophen blend tablets. The blend tablet is a narcotic pain reliever used to treat moderate to severe acute (short-term) pain. Such a combination would likely see me quite dysfunctional, I am thinking. I do hope your wife is much recovered from her injuries.

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As regards your unending finite reality, I am reasonably certain that your experiencing of existence is equally valid as that of any other. Scientists may elect to use other words of explanation, yet the experiencing of life is much the same between life forms to my thoughts, although the immediate circumstances around each may be widely and wildly variable.

'Unending finite reality'.

I like that.

Another perspective to ponder.

Thank you.

LW

[chazzysaw]

What is truth? Is it an opinion, belief or fact. Some are willing to follow an opinion that sounds convincing. An opinion with no proof or research to prove it's truth. Many will risk their lives on a belief with out checking the validity and they will fight to the death for what they believe. Fact on the other hand has truth on it's side but even though there are things that can be proven as fact there are those who won't believe it anyway. The existence of dinosaurs for example, it is a proven fact that they once roam the earth at one time in earth's history but there are religious groups that refuse to accept their existence. Scientist have a way of convincing us theories are true facts when they are only theories, unproven facts. The Big Bang is only a theory that scientist are preaching to be true, a truth I personally disagree with.

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Theory is theory__Fact is fact__and only Modal Quantification can prove the diffs...

Modal Quantification is also limited to finity__Mathematically and logically...

[cosvis]

Hi jag and all.
You mentioned 'As dark energy moves towards dark matter and matter, light ... is produced'; What exactly is the dark energy and the dark matter? I can see a possible answer in the structure of a quantum particle. A quantum particle has two equal but opposite energies and forces, gravitational and kinetical eg, it moves at a constant speed of light, it is attracted by gravity, and it must have some form of matter eg. it has a photo electron effect. I see the dark energy and the dark matter being nothing else as photons, which are bundels of quanta particles or light itself. This light then is transformed into matter and anti matter by a process of the Hawking transformation at the event horizon of black holes. This process of transformatin of light into matter and anti matter particles is continuous. In the universe matter and anti matter is continuously transformed into pure energy or photons by nuclear or fusion burning and then continuously being transformed back into matter and anti matter.
Yours cosvis.

[jag]

Hi jag and all.
You mentioned 'As dark energy moves towards dark matter and matter, light ... is produced'; What exactly is the dark energy and the dark matter? I can see a possible answer in the structure of a quantum particle. A quantum particle has two equal but opposite energies and forces, gravitational and kinetical eg, it moves at a constant speed of light, it is attracted by gravity, and it must have some form of matter eg. it has a photo electron effect. I see the dark energy and the dark matter being nothing else as photons, which are bundels of quanta particles or light itself. This light then is transformed into matter and anti matter by a process of the Hawking transformation at the event horizon of black holes. This process of transformatin of light into matter and anti matter particles is continuous. In the universe matter and anti matter is continuously transformed into pure energy or photons by nuclear or fusion burning and then continuously being transformed back into matter and anti matter.
Yours cosvis.

Thank you cosvis,

All of that may be true, like I said I am not a trained scientist. Keep up the good work!

What I am saying is...all of the energy you can measure coming out of the atom, even the stuff moving up to and including light speed is a result of dark matter in vortical motion, moving toward the center of the earth at about 120MPH2. Gavillions of events horizon pulling in dark matter to create and maintain this life, just in my bubble.

Get rid of the notion that the energy coming out of the atom has always been there. it is actually a by product of creation...of dark matter coming in.

Dark matter is the stuff that everything is made of.
Dark energy fuels dark matter.

The Best,

jag

[jag]

Are there some illusions that are stronger
than others? The residue of creation/ reality cannot
be as strong as its source.

Is there a truth that is stronger than another?
It seems that the strongest truth is one we
can measure the best.

If we take time out of it then truth
becomes something unable to be measured
mountain/canyon. How high or low can an exponent go?

I think we only see, and can measure about 6% of truth.
That makes me feel free of arrogance and pride.
I really don't know very much,
90% is still out there to see and measure.

jag


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[labelwench]

Are there some illusions that are stronger
than others? The residue of creation/ reality cannot
be as strong as its source.

Is there a truth that is stronger than another?
It seems that the strongest truth is one we
can measure the best.

If we take time out of it then truth
becomes something unable to be measured
mountain/canyon. How high or low can an exponent go?

I think we only see, and can measure about 6% of truth.
That makes me feel free of arrogance and pride.
I really don't know very much,
90% is still out there to see and measure.

jag


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The 'Truth' would seem to vary, depending on whom one is talking to at the time, and yet this does not trouble me overmuch, as one learns with experience that all things visible may appear quite different depending on one's vantage point.

Given that we each have a somewhat differing vantage point by dint of our individuality and life experience, it is almost reassuring that the 'Truth' has such quality, that as you express, perhaps we may each ever only grasp a portion of same as we make the journey.

Let the 'Truth' ever remain too vast for any one person to fully comprehend, for it belongs to everyone, not just one, and it is the seeking for 'Truth' that has the potential to unite mankind, IMO.

[jag]

it is the seeking for 'Truth' that has the potential to unite mankind, IMO.

If we are all potentially illusions (our consciousness). Can there be lesser illusions like devils and demons that gain strength through fear and ceremony? Is the consciousness of the energy subject to a struggle for dominance between good and evil?

It seems to me that the only consciousness that matters, on this planet is ours...we humans. Some gain strength against the "lesser illusions" through science, some through religion or both and others are just strong enough to realize, and live...Why worry about it? Just go with the flow it's a gold rush.

To use science and religion to fight against"lesser illusions" and superstitions is a noble fight and is ongoing. To stand up and claim your dominance over "lesser illusions" and say I have power over anything illogical or less than me is the law and the prophets.

But when it goes beyond that and religion stands up and claims dominance over other people they become dominated by exactly what they were fighting against in the beginning..."lesser illusions".


When science goes around chasing wild geese, that's OK.
But if wild geese turn out not to exist.
Science becomes dominated by..."lesser illusions".

The "seeking for truth" is what keeps hope alive. I am an optimist and think we can win out over the "lesser illusions".

[melanie]

In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.

[labelwench]

If we are all potentially illusions (our consciousness). Can there be lesser illusions like devils and demons that gain strength through fear and ceremony? Is the consciousness of the energy subject to a struggle for dominance between good and evil?

It seems to me that the only consciousness that matters, on this planet is ours...we humans. Some gain strength against the "lesser illusions" through science, some through religion or both and others are just strong enough to realize, and live...Why worry about it? Just go with the flow it's a gold rush.

To use science and religion to fight against"lesser illusions" and superstitions is a noble fight and is ongoing. To stand up and claim your dominance over "lesser illusions" and say I have power over anything illogical or less than me is the law and the prophets.

But when it goes beyond that and religion stands up and claims dominance over other people they become dominated by exactly what they were fighting against in the beginning..."lesser illusions".


When science goes around chasing wild geese, that's OK.
But if wild geese turn out not to exist.
Science becomes dominated by..."lesser illusions".

The "seeking for truth" is what keeps hope alive. I am an optimist and think we can win out over the "lesser illusions".

We draw our own conclusions from life's illusions, as we wrestle our delusions to sort out confusion.

Whether we choose the path of science or theology, it eventually comes back around to 'consciousness' and biology.

Some few facts are common to us all, and the rest we weave of our own experiencing of same.

Chart your own course and interfere not with others, yet it should come as no surprise if we all end up at the same destination, merely by different routes.

Change is ongoing, and we witness that everyday. As we accumulate more experience, our perception of that which is 'true' may change, but the mechanism which underlies all remains constant, IMO.