The branches of atheism and theism

[everymansmedium]

Remember that the “a” in atheism stands for “anti” or anti-theism just as “atheist” is “anti-theist”. There’s actually no belief system called “atheism” for us to believe in. Our belief system is called “SCIENTISM”.

Atheist do not set out to disprove the existence of a god, we simply say there is no physical evidence of one just as there is no physical evidence of an Easter Bunny or fairies.

What’s good for a society based on religion is not always good for all individuals so the society attempts to stifle or even kill the individuals that refuse to accept the rules of that society. We atheist do not want you theists making rules and laws based on what the pope says your god wants. Don’t put your creationism BS in our public schools and don’t put your 10 fundamental rules in our public buildings. Don’t make laws that prevent medical research just because you think your *&^%& god (aka POPE) has told you it’s wrong.

The whole concept of a god is the result of a misuse of an evolved social interaction system of our brains that religions and con artist tend to take full advantage of.

I do hope I haven’t offended any theist with my soapbox rant ---- Actually, I hope I’ve pissed them off royally.

Hello David:

The following words are frequently used incorrectly.




Noun: theism
1: The doctrine or belief in the existence of a God or Gods (note this is a doctrine or belief system)

The a is a direct reversal of the thought.

Noun: atheism
1: The doctrine or belief that there is no God or Gods. (note this is a doctrine or belief system)


Adjective: gnostic
1: Possessing intellectual or esoteric knowledge of spiritual things.

The gnostic term is a pointer to a knowledge or to information. The reverse of this with an a is not to change its function as a pointer but to reverse or negate what is pointed to or at.

Noun Agnostic
1: A person who doubts the validity of any and all information about a God or Gods.
2: A person who is uncertain about all claims of knowledge relative to the existence of a God or Gods
(note this is not a doctrine or belief system) (This is simply against the knowledge)

From what you have said I think the correct term for what you wish to put forward is that you do not believe any information that implies the existence of any God or Gods.

This in reality is agnostic. However I do feel that the miss use of these words seem to paint a picture that is not to your liking relative to the term agnostic.

Let me show you a quote of your own that indicates agnosticism.

“Atheist do not set out to disprove the existence of a god, we simply say there is no physical evidence of one just as there is no physical evidence of an Easter Bunny or fairies.
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The term physical evidence is with reference to knowledge or information. This is against the knowledge
Or a-gnostic. It does not indicate that it is against the existence as this would be a-theist


I am very pleased that you have a term for your belief system. That you referred to as “SCIENTISM”. I feel that I also am a follower of Scientism, though I do not relate this following with the a-theist or a-gnostic following.

This is also for clarity. Let me show you another quote you made that you make relative to theism and a-theism. I find the following statement also valid from my point of view though I relate it to a more specific point.. What I reference these problems to is organized religion. The reason for this is that a people and there ideas can change, and will change as they learn and progress. However the document that controls the people is not alive and does not change nor does it learn. With this as an understanding we must also consider our older scientific documents, for they like the religious documents also do not change very easily either.
Your quote:
“What’s good for a society based on religion is not always good for all individuals so the society attempts to stifle or even kill the individuals that refuse to accept the rules of that society. We atheist do not want you theists making rules and laws based on what the pope says your god wants. Don’t put your creationism BS in our public schools and don’t put your 10 fundamental rules in our public buildings. Don’t make laws that prevent medical research just because you think your *&^%& god (aka POPE) has told you it’s wrong.”
This is obviously written with anger toward the organized religion that was responsible for the problems indicated. Please understand David: not all theists follow an organized religion. Some of us simply feel that it is most likely that we will find a source of this universe that is NOT AT RANDOM.

This basically the same as what AE said when he does not think that God plays dice with the universe. IT is NOT AT RANDOM.

All things that man has called solid as the ground under our feet for all the written history that we have available is no longer as solid as it once was. All of our sciences of this universe of space and matter is based on a continuum. Our more modern sciences begin to show us that there is no continuum, though we keep it for the convenience of the sciences that would fail without it. Even the simples of all things “movement” becomes impossible without it.

Now to further this to my own ideas. I will give a few thoughts and ask a few questions. One of the first and most important discoveries that was made within quantum mechanics was to discover the concept of digital data. This enables us to make a digital interface. This is the beginning of all of our computer systems. Is it possible that we learned this because what we are finding in QM is a digital interface?
Would it not solve many of the problems of determination within QM to see it as a digital interface to a digital medium or a singularity if you prefer that term? This singularity is not necessarily the final discovery of the divine but simply another step in the process of discovery that we may each have our own ideas about the final outcome.

One more thought: All of life is based on a system of feedback. Even natural selection itself is in a feedback loop. If we look to find a parallel theory within our existing knowledge, we find it in the CONTROL THEORY. Why is this called the control theory? In this theory where does the controller exist relative to the loop? The answer to that question is ANYWHERE. That is why it is called the control theory, because any point within the loop is a possible point of control. Do you think this is just a coincidence? Just thinking.
About your last sentence, I am hoping that is just a joke.
Will return as often as I can My concepts are being refined down to a minimum.
John

[AntonioLao]

FAITH and BELIEF travel at the speed of light but anything else is slowed down by doubts and second hand thoughts, a complete stop of the thinking process becomes the seed of disbelief.

[melanie]

Atheist do not set out to disprove the existence of a god,
we simply say there is no physical evidence of one just as there is no physical evidence of an Easter Bunny or fairies.

Without space there would be objects.
Without objects there would be no space.

And so our science question for today is .. where is the physical evidence for space ????

No, i think we can safely say, you don't exist david.
david is a figment of david's imagination ... (a space man) a mental construct

[Graybeard]

Dave .... you poked a stick in the ants nest .... and now they're running around biting everybody.

lololol

cool bananas ... greg

[melanie]

Dave .... you poked a stick in the ants nest .... and now they're running around biting everybody.

lololol

cool bananas ... greg

And did something bite your banana g ? ROTFLMAO

[melanie]

Without space there would be objects.
Without objects there would be no space.

Correction, the above quote should read....

Without space there would be no objects

Without objects there would be no space

And the human being is an object right?


So the question still remain .. where is the physical evidence for space?

[jag]

It really doesn't matter what your point of view is, we are all looking at the same thing and trying to understand and deal with how that makes us feel. I think that some atheists are the strongest among us in our struggle to find truth and understand what we are. There is plenty of confussion, doubt and fear to go around. I understand and agree with David that something must happen to change the arrogance of the churches of the world. It seems unlikely, I know, but I am an optimist. "It ain't over till it's over." I believe that the handfull of us that are left, that haven't lost or minds to this self centered approach to life can in fact bring the world a vision of the truth that will lift the vail of confussion and fear and the timrless truth of our oneness can be understood.

jag

[melanie]

Hey Greg, you're an in tell e gentle man floating in space like a fish in water

Where is the physical evidence for space ?

[Graybeard]

Hey Greg, you're an in tell e gentle man floating in space like a fish in water

Where is the physical evidence for space ?

When I try to reach out and kiss you .... there seems to be this thing between us .... some sort of gap .... what could it be ????


rotflmao ..... greg

[labelwench]

Interesting to me, that theists like to lay claim to morality and ascribe a significant lack thereof to atheists.

Why then, are some of the most humane and moral people I have met not theists? I would not try to hang any label on them, save that they openly admit to being of no faith, usually lovers of all that is untampered with in this world.

The best thing about these folks, is that they don't come knocking at your door, trying to influence your way of thinking, threatening you with hell if you don't share their perspective.

These people are concerned about their fellow beings, the planet and all it's creatures and they are most generous with their time, energy and resources. They are people of actions that mirror their words, who waste little time on debate.

Thank you to Robert for providing us with this marvellous technology, that we may exchange ideas respectfully from anywhere on our lovely home world.