I believe that “God” does “, “, “, “, “ and none of this sentence.

[melanie]

You don’t read, think or care what other people are saying, because you are right and everyone else is an idiot, right?

Wrong, that is your projection not mine.

---Also, when people point that out to you, in an attempt at constructive criticism and in no way, shape or form being insulting,
you become highly insulted and attack them verbally.

''Last night, as I was sleeping,
I dreamt — marvelous error!
that I had a beehive
here inside my heart.
And the golden bees
were making white combs
and sweet honey
from my old failures.''

--Antinio Machado

---Have you changed since I've last read though some of your postings on that other thread?
I can't say, because I haven't searched for your writings lately,

but I will wait and admit my error,
if I am wrong about you.

[futrethink]

---melanie.

To remove awareness from existence would be like removing the ocean from the waves.
So, i have no idea what you mean by saying 'removing IT's awareness from existence'

---From the opening post; It in essence, died and caused all existence to stop being for a short period of time, based upon a belief.
---The ocean disappears, as does the seabed, the crust of the earth that it rest upon, the mantle and the core to the point of ad infinitum. There is absolutely nothing for a time, just as there is something for a time.

It does know what it is like to all those things you mentioned ... by being/becoming/experiencing Itself relative to ITSelf...

---But when it dies, all of existence stops being with it, so there is no experiences to experience and no knowledge/awareness to acquire from those nonexistent experiences.
---I do understand what you are trying to show me, in that the two concepts of existence and nonexistence become entwined/balanced/merged at that final moment. But for it to fully be that way, there has to be a point of nonexistence, in which there is no awareness, no being or anything even remotely/tenuously connected to anything which we call existence.
---For within infinity, there exist all points.

It is always the same one self being born and dying, there is no ''other'' self......

---Exactly.

You don’t read, think or care what other people are saying, because you are right and everyone else is an idiot, right?

Wrong, that is your projection not mine.

---melanie. Anyone(a) who takes the time to explain the same thing in as many ways as there are sands on the beach, even after another person(b) has shown the exact same knowledge, but using words which person(a) has not, isn’t listening to person(b).
---Ask yourself why person(a) would not be listening to person(b) and what they are thinking each time they re-explain the same concept again, again, again and again to person(b).

[melanie]

Well i've just read the above post....

and i have to admit, i have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
Your replies are confusing and do not correlate with mine one iota, in fact they make no sense what's so ever...
what ever it is you are trying to explain...i have no comprehension of.
You probably feel that way about my posts too....
also this whole thread has left me wondering, just what is it exactly that we are supposed to be discussing here.
It's all just getting more and more confusing.....
And since i am just repeating the same old stuff over and over,anyway, there is no need for me to participate here anymore.
I'll leave the debate/discussion for others to wrap their minds around..

Actually i find this thread extremely unfriendly, boring and very heavily tedious....

[futrethink]

---melanie.

what ever it is you are trying to explain...i have no comprehension of.
You probably feel that way about my posts too....

---Actually, no. I do understand what you are trying to explain, because I think carefully about what words are used and the way that they are being used.
---As for you understanding what I write about objective nonexistence, yeah, I guess it would seem out there and the talk of a crazy person.

And since i am just repeating the same old stuff over and over,anyway, there is no need for me to participate here anymore.

---You weren’t repeating yourself here, yet, but in the other thread (ROAE) that’s all that was being done.

[melanie]

---melanie.
---As for you understanding what I write about objective nonexistence, yeah, I guess it would seem out there and the talk of a crazy person.

Each and everyone of us is a unique expression of oneness...

There is nothing wrong with the way we express our thoughts.

However, expecting others to understand our thoughts is in another dimension...either we understand one another or not, it doesn't make us crazy, just different.


Perhaps i have problems seeing the way you context objective nonexistence.
Nothing wrong with that of course, it's just that i can't decipher the way you context your thoughts of reality.

My context throughout this forum has been to look beyond this illusional objective reality and does not include it as a separate entity.

I'm thinking that we might be saying the same things, except to say that we are coming at it.. from opposite sides of the coin.
I could be wrong though....

-But when it dies, all of existence stops being with it, so there is no experiences to experience and no knowledge/awareness to acquire from those nonexistent experiences.

What does this mean?
When it dies, all of existence stops being with it?

When what dies?? you have not explained what you are referring to, all you say is ..... '' when it dies ''

Do you mean the body or something else?

What i would like to know is what is it that is actually dying?

[melanie]

---You weren’t repeating yourself here, yet, but in the other thread (ROAE) that’s all that was being done.

What has the ''root of all evil thread'' got to do with any of this?

I don't understand why you still focus on something that happened in the past...
and why you feel it necessary to knock both myself and drifter again.
I am aware that you did not adhere or like the way drifter and I expressed ourselves...
But, drift and i, speak the same language...we were at best completely oblivious to the fact that other people were finding it repetitive..
It seemed that it was ''other'' people who had a problem with ''us'' ... for what ever reason...
while we were obviously quite happy.....

What is being forgotten here is that, there were some antagonism going on between all parties, and it was not a one sided affair ...
this was mainly due to the fact, that there were arising some differing and opposing opinions, thus, sarcasm, and some nitpicking began to throw it's weight around...
but to point the blame towards the same usual suspects each time is unfair inho......

But what i can't understand is, why does it still bother you now?
and obviously it still does, because you have dredged up the past here at this thread, which has got nothing to do with it.

Mostly, but not all people, when provoked, will usually go into verbal attack mode,
drifter and I are both guilty of this admittedly, but we are only humans trying to express ourselves, and be heard and understood..

It's not like a confrontation is a deliberate ploy, because it takes two to make a wave.
If you get my drift...

I came to this thread in peace, and then all i got to read, is your negative comments.

Mods ..... feel free to remove this post.

[futrethink]

---melanie.

When what dies?? you have not explained what you are referring to, all you say is ..... '' when it dies ''

---‘IT’ is the individual/singularity you call the ‘One’. If you can’t describe IT/the One exactly to others, how do you expect me to?

Do you mean the body or something else?
What i would like to know is what is it that is actually dying?

---To put it more succinctly, IT dies and then it becomes completely and objectively nonexistent.
---The One and all its possibilities/capabilities of what it has done/been, can do/is and will do/be, stops.
---It has to be that way, for the puzzle to be complete.

Perhaps i have problems seeing the way you context objective nonexistence.
Nothing wrong with that of course, it's just that i can't decipher the way you context your thoughts of reality.

---And until I figure out exactly how you, personally, perceive the world and its descriptions or you come around to seeing what I perceive, we’ll have to continue working at showing each other/attempting to describe our worlds or just quit.

My context throughout this forum has been to look beyond this illusional objective reality and does not include it as a separate entity.

---Yes, it (objective reality) isn’t a separate entity.
---Objective nonexistence is separate though, because even though it has an existence, it doesn’t exist.

[melanie]

---melanie.
---‘IT’ is the individual/singularity you call the ‘One’. If you can’t describe IT/the One exactly to others, how do you expect me to?
---To put it more succinctly, IT dies and then it becomes completely and objectively nonexistent.
---The One and all its possibilities/capabilities of what it has done/been, can do/is and will do/be, stops.
---It has to be that way, for the puzzle to be complete.
---And until I figure out exactly how you, personally, perceive the world and its descriptions or you come around to seeing what I perceive, we’ll have to continue working at showing each other/attempting to describe our worlds or just quit.
---Yes, it (objective reality) isn’t a separate entity.
---Objective nonexistence is separate though, because even though it has an existence, it doesn’t exist.

Now i understand, just by reading this one post alone.

We say and understand the same things, we just word it differently.

Nothing else to discuss.....I quit.

Cos, why should i have to listen to you constantly re-reminding me of a time when i was obviously a very bad girl.
I'd rather forget and move positively forward with people who don't judge me, who allow me to be.