Does God really exist in any form?

[Lloyd Gillespie]

So Lloyd Gillespie really exists as a ball and body of logic. In order for you to know that you exist as a ball and body of logic,
there must be an awareness of that.

So, could awareness really exist in any form? not really, its more accurate to say that form exists in awareness?

It's called eye-sight__Melanie... Simple eye-sight...

[Bogie]

But Bogie__What makes it conserved...???__or same question__What makes it a perpetual motion system...???

You know it is the waves of energy that are conserved as they traverse the universal medium, the perfect fluid where waves traverse the frictionless UM until interrupted and then they intersect and overlap and new waves are the product of those intersectons and overlaps . But I don't want to convince anyone, just want to particpate in the discussion.

[Drifter]

I can see you are as comfortable with that as I am with time always existing as the infinite and eternal universe plays out in accord with the perfect cosmological principle .

yes. I will check out the link, thanks.

[melanie]

It's called eye-sight__Melanie... Simple eye-sight...

And there is only seeing. Existence is the awareness of awareness.

Lloyd Gillespie does not see, he 'is' the seen - seen by the seeing, two but not two, there is no separation between seer and seen...right?

[Drifter]

You know it is the waves of energy that are conserved as they traverse the universal medium, the perfect fluid where waves traverse the frictionless UM until interrupted and then they intersect and overlap and new waves are the product of those intersectons and overlaps . But I don't want to convince anyone, just want to particpate in the discussion.

The ever-constant criss-crossing of atomic particles in a neutral [aetheric]field, nothing happens except the usual until two, supposed not too, collide,and become one.

[Lloyd Gillespie]

And there is only seeing. Existence is the awareness of awareness.

Lloyd Gillespie does not see, he 'is' the seen - seen by the seeing, two but not two, there is no separation between seer and seen...right?

You look for far too much__There's only seeing__Simple seeing...

Anything else, not entered by nature and experience, is foolish unnecessary and trivial additions...

You see__You Know__That's It...

[Drifter]

I can see you are as comfortable with that as I am with time always existing as the infinite and eternal universe plays out in accord with the perfect cosmological principle .

Inner mind[universe] has a dual witnessing capacity of sorts, a sort myopia one might say or an astigmatism, two "I"s, eyes, whose perspectives are far from and diametrically opposed to one another.

"Like two golden birds perched in the self-same tree, the ego and the True Self, intimate friends and inseperable.
The former partakes of the sweet-and-the-bitter-fruits of the Tree of Life, while the latter looks on, in stoic detachment." ~Mundaka Upanishad

Myopic

1. A visual defect in which distant objects appear blurred because their images are focused in front of the retina rather than on it; nearsightedness. Also called short sight.
2. Lack of discernment or long-range perspective in thinking or planning: "For Lorca, New York is a symbol of spiritual myopia"

1. One who is seemingly indifferent to or unaffected by joy, grief, pleasure, or pain.
2. Stoic A member of an originally Greek school of philosophy, founded by Zeno about 308 B.C., believing that God determined everything for the best and that virtue is sufficient for happiness. Its later Roman form advocated the calm acceptance of all occurrences as the unavoidable result of divine will or of the natural order.

[Lloyd Gillespie]

The Silly Creation Myths...

If we allow the big-bang to stand as Lemaitre composed it, we have nothing but another "Creation Myth", which is logically contradictory to the 1st law of conservation, and further sets up the impossible logic and mathematical non-realities of "Something from Nothing", as to origins. So, the whole argument centers right back in the belief and logic camp of "Was or is creation possible, or not?" If you follow the laws and logics, it's impossible for any "Creation Myths" such as the big-bang to be true, without an origin in the ill fated "Creation from Nothing" problem, and many scientists have run into this reality, and are now proposing "Eternity" in the "Emergence Models"__but that still leaves the impossibility of the laws and logics in contradiction with the "Conservation Laws", thus making these logics impossible. This only leaves one possibility, of "What Came Before The Big-Bang?" The reason is, is that "Existence" turns out by all "The Laws of Logical Necessity" to absolutely require "Eternity", and further if "Eternity" be required, and interpreted into true "Time/Distances", then "Infinity" is also philosophically logically absolutely required, and even mathematically, though we can't measure it, except by the old Greek greatest magnitude and multitude potentials...

So, the world of CM(classical mechanics), QM(quantum mechanics) and RM(relative mechanics) has gotta' make up it's mind whether science is going to be described by logic, math and science__or by these foolish old "Creation Myths" which are in absolute logical contradiction with physical realities...

I've been mentioning these facts of logics and laws correspondences to reality, for over thirty years, to many different people and other physicists, and only a few finally see these contradictions and impossible logics and non-realities of such so-far constructed pseudo-scientific models...

The choice is everyone's__Whether they want to look for these inconsistencies, or not__and to find the true consistencies in the laws, logics and sciences...

And yes, it's the most sensative of issues in the world__as it centers on proving "God Creationism" Impossible__But, Science's further life depends on it...!!! It's not about proving "God" impossible, as logic isn't capable of that__but, logic is capable of proving "Creationism" impossible by sound contradictions in the maths, laws and physical facts' necessities... But, by proving "Creationism" impossible, that un-employs 'god...'

It's gonna' be quite a war of ideas__out into our very near future...

What makes it conserved...???__or same question__What makes it a perpetual motion system...???

And No-One answers the questions...

[Bogie]

The ever-constant criss-crossing of atomic particles neutral field, nothing happens except the usual until two, supposed not too, collide,and become one.

Good perspective. I see it as having always been that way on two levels of order. The quantum level where particles and mass and you and I exist and the macro level where the waves are huge waves born out of big bangs which result from the same kind of overlaps between two parent arenas. Big crunches form in the overlap space from the galactic content of the parent arenas and the big crunches burst into expanding arenas like our observable expanding known universe. Our arena will some day be a parent, lol.

[melanie]

You look for far too much__There's only seeing__Simple seeing...

Anything else, not entered by nature and experience, is foolish unnecessary and trivial additions...

You see__You Know__That's It...

So if your agreeing with me then why make statements like ...
'' seeing all this pseudo-emotional spiritual non-sense making fools of it's own intellectual logic potentia.''

if we're only saying the same things, but perhaps in different ways?

what's your beef man?