Does God really exist in any form?

[Drifter]

[QUOTE=Meem;132993]So then, love is a lower emotion? I am blind, you are not, and dont love because it's too lowly?QUOTE]


Love is an emotion, useful at times but not entirely necessary
As an attachment it has suffering as its opposite.
We suffer when we don't get what we want,
when we get what we don't want we suffer too.

If it were possible to prolong any pleasurable experience enough, it would be accompanied by boredom, which is a form of suffering.
Siddhartha Guatama Buddha observed after profund meditation:
"This momks, is the noble truth of suffering: Birth is sorrowwful, old age is sorrowful, ilnness is sorrowful, death is sorrowful; grief, distress, and dispair are sorrowful; to be united with what is unwanted is sorrowful; to be seperated from what is wanted is sorrowful; not to obtain what is desired is sorrowful; in short, the five "groups" are sorrowful". (Mahavagga 1.6.19)

The five groups (skandha) are the body, sensations, perceptions, thoughts, and consciousness.
These are inherently impermanent and therefore not conducive to true happiness or bliss.
Bliss belongs to the unconditional Reality beyond body, mind and the world of finite objects. It is bliss that has always been the aspiration of the great seekers and that those who have transcended the ego-personality realize as their innermost nature.

[Lloyd Gillespie]

I am a poor man, because I have not kept any love for myself. I try to give it all away. Seems like a never ending process.

Hard to profess giving away love__by condemning others...

[Drifter]

Innate Logic has no rules__It 'Is' the higher mind of the true self-love of all other creatures__great and small...

The only condemnation going on__is a foolish belief in your 'god...'

It makes you need to be angry at others, for stating the truth__That's not love__That's purile anger...

Hummm. . . .
I clearly see now Lloyd.
Thank you for pointing that out Sir,
and removing the mote from mine eye.

[Meem]

The original premise of this thread...

The tittle presents the question, _______, the quoted presents more questions, which have been answered based on an if. If jesus gave us freel will ... he did, did he? then God must not exist? An if that presents a rule based on what? I would just ask the originator.

What if the sky is really red, and not blue?

If god is omnipotent, and knowing ... how can we not have free-will? I can conduct experiments with my dog to get at this.

[Drifter]

Drifter,

To me, one of the most fantasical things of "deep-state" to me (state, such as meditation-contemplation-realization-thinking) is there are times when doing such, there appears to be a universal type reactionary feedback or sorts to be occuring.

"what goes around"
"3x3"
"returned 10 fold"
"you get what you give"

Try simply listening,
for a change, expand the stillness?

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Dogs are wiser than humans or 'gods...'

[Drifter]

The tittle presents the question, _______, the quoted presents more questions, which have been answered based on an if. If jesus gave us freel will ... he did, did he? then God must not exist? An if that presents a rule based on what? I would just ask the originator.

What if the sky is really red, and not blue?

If god is omnipotent, and knowing ... how can we not have free-will? I can conduct experiments with my dog to get at this.

Can your dog bend your will,[cause you to 'rationalize', putting words in His mouth],
To have His way/will with you?

[Meem]

Hard to profess giving away love__by condemning others...

I have not condemned you, can you say the same?

Hummm. . . .
I clearly see now Lloyd.
Thank you for pointing that out Sir,
and removing the mote from mine eye.

Judge not, that ye be not judged.
For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

[Meem]

Can your dog bend your will?

yes. I suppose it's only fair.

[Lloyd Gillespie]

"Always judge__but, be prepared to be judged..."

Good judgment is a necessity, of a good soul...