Darwin & 'the record of the rocks'

[labelwench]

Thanks LW...here when using the word "fact" I was referring to information used as evidence which theorists say is their evidence to a theory or a report or whatever....

I agree ever-changing is probably a state...but whether we grow from it or develop from it may be more about the Law of Flexibility and what happens when the condition is inflexibility....may be two kinds of growth from change and situations of expansion/contraction in the life force...

Regards Mikal

And that was the way that I interpreted your post, Mikal, and no opposition from this quarter.

My remark is intended to remind us that our very definition of a 'fact' may at times be in dispute and that our fondest and longest held know measures that we accept as fact, have fallen many times before.

It is only if we bind ourselves to such 'facts' that we are in danger of falling with them when new 'facts' come to light, as seems ever likely.

I would respectfully suggest that there are numerous more forms of growth within that which we discuss as expansion/contraction in the life force, though I doubt we may ever fully comprehend all.

[austintorn@aol.com]

"Junk" DNA correlates with the fossils in the rocks, and so it is a verification. It is even that we now don't need to find all the fossils, as the DNA contains their information, plus even more.

[austintorn@aol.com]

THE FACT OF EVOLUTION

Evolution simply means
That a species undergoes
Change over time.

(Note that this fact says nothing about the method.)

[austintorn@aol.com]

Some mention that order requires Order behind it, or that life requires Life behind it…

This is the subjective mind halting prematurely, for then all the more would this Order/Mind need ORDER/MIND behind It.

Then some time goes by in the subjective minds, they perhaps being immune to the objective,or just mired in the same groove—and then they again restate the same theme again…

…such as cause needs Cause, again implying that, to continue the chain, Cause obviously requires CAUSE behind it, and then I suppose more CAUSE…

But cause can’t go on forever…

[austintorn@aol.com]

THE ONLY COMMANDMENT

Ever back through the Ages went I,
Dating rocks and old fossils, by and by,
And found this tablet stone, the Covenant
Of the one and only engraven Commandment:

NATURAL HISTORY

The Commandments of Evolution are unmistakably
Engraved in stone for everyone to see.
There are no “if’s”, “and’s”, or “but’s” in these pages,
For we can even date these rocks of ages.



STABLE ORGANISMS

Basically, evolving organisms
Are a stable platform,
Since they didn’t die off;
They ‘take on’ chance to perhaps move on
To the next stable level;
So, evolution doesn’t just proceed
By all kinds of chances right in a row
Like one trying to make a fortune at a roulette wheel.

[Meem]

Ahhh, forever
http://www.toequest.com/forum/anecdo...poetry-21.html

Mercury has very very long days. Each day on Mercury lasts as long as 58 days, 15 hours on Earth. This is quite a feat, considering a whole year on Mercury is only 88 days

How long is a day in "heaven?" Our concepts of time, compared to the timeless mixes up any hope we have of understanding. I don't care to get too much into beating a dead horse, but if the heavens, earth, men, etc where all created in days .... is that on our time scale or "God's?" The earth is not the center of the universe, then why do we assume "our clock" to be a universal truth? The bible says lots of things, I think, few people understand, and it doesn't require an expert to point that out.

(Edit)
This page http://www.cthreepo.com/lab/math1.shtml has a nifty little Time Dilation calculator on it. For sake of argument, lets take where it says somewhere in the bible something like, God is saying, "I am the light the way." So lets just say, God, works at the speed of light. How many earth days pass if god "moves/works" at the speed of light for one "earth day?' Since 1c will only get you to infinity .... put in .9999999c

Question, if time doesn't exist, how does it dilate?

But anyhoo, it's all hear-say heresy!

[labelwench]

My horse bids me to remark unto you, Meem, that a dead horse would care not that it was being beaten, so by all means, if it gives you comfort, don't worry about what the neighbors might think or remark....

She also asks what result you expect from beating an inanimate object?

Did you know that horses can very closely mimic our facial expressions? She has a tiny furrow of puzzlement upon her face with the asking of the above.....

Regards,

LW on behalf of Caramel

[Mikal]

Now here are some more interesting quotes….

“In 1979, researchers at the Laetoli, Tanzania site in East Africa discovered footprints in volcanic ash deposits over 3.6 million years ago. Mary Leakey and others said the prints were indistinguishable from those of modern humans. It seems permissible therefore to consider a possibility—that creatures with anatomically modern human bodies to match their anatomically modern feet existed 3.6 million years ago.
(Michael Cremo—The Hidden History of the Human Race)

“In the decades following the publication of Darwin’s Origin of Species, many scientists found incised and broken bones indicating a human presence in the Pliocene, Miocene and earlier periods. Opponents suggested that the marks and breaks observed on the fossil bones were caused by the action of carnivores, sharks or geological pressure. But supporters of the discoveries offered impressive counter arguments—Nonetheless, reports of incised bones and broken bones indicating a human presence in the Pliocene and earlier are absent from the currently accepted stock of evidence.
(Cremo)

“The objections to the existence of humans in the Pliocene and Miocene periods seem habitually to be more related to theoretical considerations than to direct observation.”
(Armand de Quatrefages, Professor at the Museum of Natural History in Paris and a member of the French Academy of Sciences.)

So what’s this?? Is not all the evidence let into the quest??

Regards Mikal

[Graybeard]

Now here are some more interesting quotes….

“In 1979, researchers at the Laetoli, Tanzania site in East Africa discovered footprints in volcanic ash deposits over 3.6 million years ago. Mary Leakey and others said the prints were indistinguishable from those of modern humans. It seems permissible therefore to consider a possibility—that creatures with anatomically modern human bodies to match their anatomically modern feet existed 3.6 million years ago.
(Michael Cremo—The Hidden History of the Human Race)

Greg, where is the "cool bananas" you usually end with? I was waiting to follow it with the quote "Evolution is great but I still like bananas".

We are all monkeys who suffer from delusions of grandeur ..... we believe we are human, and some (so acute has the god delusion become) believe we are Gods ...... but we still scratch and eat bananas ... rotflmao

cool bananas Bogie .... greg

[labelwench]

THE FACT OF EVOLUTION

Evolution simply means
That a species undergoes
Change over time.

(Note that this fact says nothing about the method.)

It has been observed that the female changes with more frequency in response to circumstances as yet undetermined by Science or the male of the species.

Change is observed. It is seldom predictable.

HMDS at this link:

http://jmm.aaa.net.au/articles/7866.htm