Darwin & 'the record of the rocks'

[Profpat]

And while all snowflakes, flowers and humans are unique I believe there is a design or pattern in each.

Do you agree or disagree with that lw?

[labelwench]

And while all snowflakes, flowers and humans are unique I believe there is a design or pattern in each.

Do you agree or disagree with that lw?

The following demonstrates both pattern and change, which is about where my opinion lays. Give it a minute or so before you give up on it. Things are really rocking by the end if you have 4 minutes to spare, lol....

http://www.silverbearcafe.com/privat...9/antwerp.html

[Profpat]

The following demonstrates both pattern and change, which is about where my opinion lays. Give it a minute or so before you give up on it. Things are really rocking by the end if you have 4 minutes to spare, lol....

http://www.silverbearcafe.com/privat...9/antwerp.html

OK I agree. But isn't a pattern a design? Did you ever use a pattern to make a dress?

P.S. Thanks for the link but my audio isn't working on my computer.

[Bogie]

... By such treasons against their subjects, empires destroy themselves. The true strength of rulers and empires lies not in armies and navies, but in the belief of men that they are inflexibly open and truthful and legal. So soon as a government departs from that standard, it ceases to be anything more than «the gang in possession», and its days are numbered. - H. G. Wells, Ibid

There is a quick tendency to agree and a more delayed question. How can a society be perfectly open, truthful, and legal? Is that not too idealistic? And if you take the following literally, "So soon as a government departs from that standard, it ceases to be anything more than the gang in possession, and its days are numbered", doesn't that leave no gray area? Can a government go from right to wrong so quickly? And can't the descent of a government into instances of "gang in possession" be reversed in the next election?

[austintorn@aol.com]

THE JUNE 30, 1860 SHOWDOWN

Were we descended from some ape-like creatures?
A thousand people sat down to hear the lectures.

The Bishop of Oxford, Samuel Wilberforce, rose to speak,
And, while speaking, and into his flow, looked at Huxley,
And asked if he’d become attached to apes by way
Of his grandmother’s or his grandfather’s recent sway.

Huxley turned to his neighbor and whispered plans,
“The Lord has delivered him into my hands”,
Then rose with a relish and said something, agape,
Of the nature “I’d rather claim kinship to an ape
Than to someone using his eminence to propound
Such unscientific twaddle in a serious scientific forum!”

This was an insult to the Bishop’s office and his door,
So, the proceedings instantly turned into an uproar.

Someone ran around holding up a Bible, to exclaim
“The Book, the Book!” (Truly, we’ll never be the same.)

Now, who was this guy holding up the Book?
It was none other than the pilot of the Beagle.

[Profpat]

[QUOTE=Bogie;115845]There is a quick tendency to agree and a more delayed question. How can a society be perfectly open, truthful, and legal?It can't. Is that not too idealistic?Yes And if you take the following literally, "So soon as a government departs from that standard, it ceases to be anything more than the gang in possession, and its days are numbered", doesn't that leave no gray area? Can a government go from right to wrong Left so quickly?Yes And can't the descent of a government into instances of "gang in possession" be reversed in the next election?Yes but it will be another gang in possession[/QUOTE]

Hi bogie,

To me the government that governs the least governs the best, and so now we have a new 2,000 pages of law dealing with our personal health care. Unfortunately politicians are paid to make laws and I'm not talking about their paychecks that we the people pay them. Chump change.

Best,

Pat

[Profpat]

Hi Austin,

It's a shame no one recognized that the Bible in Genesis 1 had God using evolutionary steps. Man being the conclusion. Right on I'd say.

But you are already familiar with my thoughts on this.

Best,

Pat

[austintorn@aol.com]

Hi Austin,

It's a shame no one recognized that the Bible in Genesis 1 had God using evolutionary steps. Man being the conclusion. Right on I'd say.

But you are already familiar with my thoughts on this.

Best,

Pat

The couldn't recognize it since the Word of God said that all forms were made as is, they being unchangeable (immutable) thereafter.

As this and other parts of the Bible were as far off as they could be, it could not be believed.

Then some people tried to say, in desperation, that what was supposed to be written in plain text for the common man was actually very much symbolic and thus required experts to interpret it.

[Profpat]

Well it's a darn good thing that I don't believe everything I read in the Bible. But you are also familiar with how I view organized religion.

[Graybeard]

Well it's a darn good thing that I don't believe everything I read in the Bible.

Interesting ... coming from you Pat ..... which parts don't you believe in ?? And how do you decide what parts to believe and what not to believe ?

cool bananas ... greg