LHC (Large Hadron Collider)

[Mikal]

You can’t be serious Mikal. Do your homework and lose your fear.
It's a multi-national project.

Thanks David....I have done my homework and I feel science has crossed a line and has begun to tamper with the ways of the Universe....I examined both the pros and cons and just feel that these kind of projects are ethically questionable. Its a multi-national project but certainly not by the concensus of the people. Stay cool, I am....


Mikal

[G_burnett]

Thanks David....I have done my homework and I feel science has crossed a line and has begun to tamper with the ways of the Universe....I examined both the pros and cons and just feel that these kind of projects are ethically questionable. Its a multi-national project but certainly not by the concensus of the people. Stay cool, I am....


Mikal

The ways of the universe is a big subject ... there can be no doubt in my mind that in a subscription to having all been created from the singular meld in a big bang then what happens to one of two electrons created at the same time happens to the other. ... it may be that there are just so many pairs we have not found our own or maybe it has changed and we don't even know it ... ? Then holding true with the proton beam being split to where one half is given to the effect of the other ... does this not lead to the possible idea that the electron is the wave function of the nucleus of proton mass?

And then there is the idea that the other particle stream or mass effected is not even in our state of time, the now, which would more or less be the case dependent on study.

Then there is the unequal or lost mass of the proton when you add the quark mass, as the addition leads to less then the calculated mass of the proton ... what is in there still in the way of mass? or is it just the way we have been fooling ourselves by perspective, the place of measurement that gives missing mass?

In some of these ponders I find my self thinking that if the BH is created in the near future it has been done and thus we would have felt the effect being part of the w-hole ... I do not feel it so it was not created. ... everything is there fore safe? .... in my own logical madness only g

[neutralino]

Question for those of you that think the "earth will be destroyed" by the LHC: do we see any black holes forming in the upper atmosphere? Has the earth been destroyed by these? The answer to both questions is, of course, no. Thus, since particles collide with such energies naturally with no adverse effects, then why would the LHC create black holes? The talk of the world being destroyed by the LHC is sensationalist nonsense.

[G_burnett]

There was this child one day who got together with his friend and began discussing how ones father and him went camping. The boy was amazed how fast his dad got the campfire going. The two boys decided to get there own fire started.
They were not dumb. They went out back of the garage in the lane where just after garbage pickup there was and empty garbage can which soon was half filled with sticks and then a few pieces of dry wood from the wood pile the one had laboriously with his dad stacked all so neat under he eves of the garage the month before.

They then went in and found a lighter in the kitchen left by mom near her smelly old smoke habit and quickly tucked away as they rushed out of the house again slamming the door on the dash of a sneak accomplished.

Then time after time they tried to reach in and light the sticks which would just barely start and then go out. Over and over they tried to do this. As an occasional car would come down the lane they covered the garbage can lid real quick to stop the tell tale signs of smoke from the can to what they were up to.

After many tries the other child said he knew what to do as hid dad had had the same problem once and ran off into the garage to come back with a small red gallon container holding no more then a cup of gas used the last time the lawn mower was started up.

They quickly poured the gas in the can and the one fellow ran back to the garage to put it back in place as the other covered the can to a car coming.

As they then both waited near the can for the car to pass looking so Innocent the neighbor in the car stopped to ask what they were up to and they both said nothing Mr Roberts, we were just cleaning up a bit ... and then the one boy put a large heavy piece of wood from the woodpile on top of the can lid rocking it ....

in the space of about two minutes from the time they had poured the gas into the can the gas has evaporated into the making of a high potential bomb and sure enough as the can had been rocked a smoldering ember from the first attempts lit the gas and ... well go figure .. after the noise they found the large piece of wood that had been over the lid in the attic of Mr Roberts home three hundred feet away ... one boy never heard anything again.

So much for same type of experiment.... ponder of self Graham

[neutralino]

But physicists aren't kids playing with gas in their backyard, they are trained professionals. Would you question a pilot as to his integrity? No, so why are you questioning physicists? It's not as if there aren't any safety procedures; why do you think this has taken decades to build and train the operators?

[G_burnett]

There is a simple term, coined in religion, law, business ... used to describe a process of advocacy.

If the term is used in purpose, it can be, to the best intent and the best guess being given, a new ponder either for continence or cessation to the purpose at hand.

The process involves the giving of tittle or taking of tittle, both by in the right of human existence.

The power is absolute in the true use of the tittle, and the result is the manifestation of truth, how ever it may be.


This is the term "the Devils Advocate."

Who is "the Devils Advocate," at the CERN project ... ?

Do I question a pilots integrity? no ... not with out cause and I have that with some pilots as stated not any more then the parent would not trust there child ... but the question may be is the best guess worth the possible result?

IMHO Graham

[Mikal]

Graham....I went back into the Hadron Collider site and reread the Cern Study Report. Of course they are talking about scientific possibilities and percentage rates of possible happenings and safety and of course I do not know enough about this to completely understand but I can understand the words..."it was assumed this safety precaution was good enough when the study group felt it was not." It just did not come across to the reader as a sure thing!!!!


Mikal

[Graybeard]

When Fermilab opened ...... All the people who watch Oprah Wind-fried said exactly the same.

Just ask Dr Phil for a Pill .......... rotflmao

cool bananas ... greg

[Mikal]

Hi cool bananas....thanks for the advice but its not too helpful because never watch Oprah and Dr. Phil....she seems to be fried and him baked and aside from that I'm one of the lucky undrugged citizens of the world. Nice of you to stop by and care though!


smiles Mikal

[G_burnett]

Graham....I went back into the Hadron Collider site and reread the Cern Study Report. Of course they are talking about scientific possibilities and percentage rates of possible happenings and safety and of course I do not know enough about this to completely understand but I can understand the words..."it was assumed this safety precaution was good enough when the study group felt it was not." It just did not come across to the reader as a sure thing!!!!


Mikal

No Mikal

It is not a sure thing.
The only sure thing about it is the money that has been spent.
It will deteriorate into another Fermi lab.
It got Governments together out of fear they might miss out on something.
Like how to maybe create a black hole over Cuba or something Bushido like that ... smashing always has to be suspect, give the random factor enough room to spew out the right garbage and sure enough it will and just before the big event? .... one will say not .....

"Well we tried... ahhhhhhhh!

they, will scream ...

"Ahhhh shzzzzzt ..ahhhhhhhhhh! (still ahead of you and me though being they are right on the event horizon lol) ~peace Graham

It stinks.