LHC (Large Hadron Collider)

[Mikal]

On the backs of the people who had no say.......

Unlike the rest of us, most U.S. corporations and foreign companies doing business in the United States pay no federal income tax, according to a new report from Congress. The study by the Government Accountability Office ... said two-thirds of U.S. corporations paid no federal income taxes between 1998 and 2005, and about 68 percent of foreign companies doing business in the U.S. avoided corporate taxes over the same period. Collectively, the companies reported trillions of dollars in sales, according to GAO's estimate. "It's shameful that so many corporations make big profits and pay nothing to support our country," said Sen. Byron Dorgan, D-N.D., who asked for the GAO study. The GAO study did not investigate why corporations weren't paying federal income taxes....

Sounds like maybe all projects whether good or bad for humanity are on the backs of the people who have no say....


Mikal

[dipayankar]

I agree with Graybeard. I think Mikal is putting too much importance in money spent for research. Today it is because of continuing scientific research that we have better medicine, better diagnostics, better communication and better understanding of the world. I would hate to think that all the evils of this world would have disappered if the LHC would not have been commissioned.

Hi Greg

I know i am not making any friends in my thoughts posted that the CERN project is ... not my cup of tea wanted on the world plate I see ..how can i say this ...

Mikal has pointed out that on a world scale the money used could have gone to better use and seems to be her objection to this and she points out a personal viewing and personal feeling there is just not something right there. ...

I go deeper in to the money thought and ponder because if in any research someone suffers ... it is not right ... do we stop it? All research? ... no we will not do that, it just goes underground.

What is the weighing on the scales Greg ... the word comes back from your owned learned self and others ... this project is good.

I see other "priorities", Fermilab ... another project of science done on the backs of others need unfulfilled ... right nothing fair to life. Maybe if there was more "This Project was made possible by the starvation and deaths of the following list of humans who were not helped on the world scale and social brotherhood of the term humanity demands to create the following benefits to all humanity ...."

The difference in ethical behavior is the use of tax money instead of donated time and money ... the spending of tax money under guise of worthy deed has to be compared to other problems, deaths, disasters ... and science is not better or more worthy of these things or has a higher priority and it is akin to the Nazi war camps where the priority was to science not the human persona or human condition over all ...

If in the face of need and instead of donated, model of reference, time and money to CERN or Fermilab the money and time was spent to solve the needs or not then could be a measurement of worthiness indeed of those involved but not otherwise as is presented here, I am sorry greg. In such projects those with understanding of this ethical factor of research in any disciplines of ...science ... the human individual has priority.

What do you want me to say that you all pro CERN type mind set became unethical bastards to me? I am nobody to you so why would that be an issue? I am not as educated or rich or important as any of you would be.

No, i am to much a gentleman to do that. My posts are sole that of personal ponder = contemplation and having to scream out loud the primal yell of frustration ... when will man learn what is important and what has to wait.

Does this answer your question?

Now what though. I am really peeved with the whole picture. You know I offered a compressed free energy device in exchange for them to stop CERN ... just to show the meaning of compassion ... no it has no meaning to them. I think that the whole of the world needs a wakeup so some things get better prioritized ... not as a matter of opinion but as a matter of fact.

Do you know what the Sudan an African drought was caused by? War and science where we put so much particles in the air the change of seasons did not allow the air stream to cross the equator ... particles in the air that acted as a shield to the needed event ... Example is the full solar eclipse where the the shadow cooled the earth in seconds over ten degrees ... and then there is the post 911 world wide no fly period where without the pollution the world temperature raised over ten degrees ... we need a shake up.

I am going to put my energy device on the market soon, ... destroy the world economy, have half the world hate me and the rest have nots love me. Society has spawned me. Do you want to know something funny Greg? my birth number ... 066606 ... yup six three score and six lol ... i have been predicted to show up a long time ago ... had to be a sociologist ... in the circle and out of the box ... are you in the box? or are you in the circle ...
that may be the question for the next ten centuries ... amazing what the mind can come up with late at night listening to Lennon,Taylor and the Crickets ... good vibes in those waves. g'nite Peace~ G

[G_burnett]

On the backs of the people who had no say.......



Sounds like maybe all projects whether good or bad for humanity are on the backs of the people who have no say....


Mikal

That is the crux of the problem ... money talks. The almighty dollar writes the history books and no room for the names that died ... in Honorable mention ? nope, nothing ...

Dip, you are right to agree with greg.

the money spent on CERN OR Fernilab would not have solved any big problems ... just small ones maybe ... I know the difference between qualification and quantification ... someone made the choice ... who?

Ahh ... it was a group or of social order? What is the difference then explain please?

The picture I have of the event is akin to the shiny boot fellow at the train yard .. "You go to have a shower, ... you go to stoke the ovens ... you go freezer duty ... step up ... hurry! , no time to waste ..." ... yea i know i am an a.. h... ...

But then there is the butterfly effect? .... Right? The little things like the wind off a butterfly wing ...?

~ regards ... Graham

[dipayankar]

Graham, remember those days when nuclear research was supposed to be a great waste of money? I wasnt even born then. However it has more scope in medicine than making weapons.

That is the crux of the problem ... money talks. The almighty dollar writes the history books and no room for the names that died ... in Honorable mention ? nope, nothing ...

Dip, you are right to agree with greg.

the money spent on CERN OR Fernilab would not have solved any big problems ... just small ones maybe ... I know the difference between qualification and quantification ... someone made the choice ... who?

Ahh ... it was a group or of social order? What is the difference then explain please?

The picture I have of the event is akin to the shiny boot fellow at the train yard .. "You go to have a shower, ... you go to stoke the ovens ... you go freezer duty ... step up ... hurry! , no time to waste ..." ... yea i know i am an a.. h... ...

But then there is the butterfly effect? .... Right? The little things like the wind off a butterfly wing ...?

~ regards ... Graham

[G_burnett]

Graham, remember those days when nuclear research was supposed to be a great waste of money? I wasnt even born then. However it has more scope in medicine than making weapons.

Yes it does but in canada we have a different view of things sometimes like how many properly executed criminal would make for the one that was Innocent and still killed? ahh maybe bad example ... of ponder, ~peace g. i have to quit thinking so much for a while ...

[dipayankar]

We feel for the larger interest of humanity and our future sites and facilities like LHC are required.

Yes it does but in canada we have a different view of things sometimes like how many properly executed criminal would make for the one that was Innocent and still killed? ahh maybe bad example ... of ponder, ~peace g. i have to quit thinking so much for a while ...

[Mikal]

Dip....I am never ashamed to place alot of importance on how a country's collective tax money is spent....I would rather hold the wellbeing of the world's people to a priority over the success or failure of scientific progress.

Nuclear research has its benefits but also its disadvantages...it always holds the possibility for some person of madness to blow the universe to kingdom come...have to excuse the pun there but cannot have the positive without creating the negative...

Why is it so important to have a scientifically progressed society when not all of society can or will benefit from such progressing technology??? Does the progression assure that the larger interest of humanity is respected??? Does this progression solve world hunger, stop nation genocide or assure the statistics of "child death" for example in Africa and other slowly and undevelped countries?????

Just some thoughts and questions....


Mikal

[neutralino]

This thread has gone way off topic: this is not the place to discuss whether or not we should be doing such research. It's quite obvious why we should be conducting such research rather than sitting in our caves lighting fires. As someone has said above, CERN was actually where the world wide web was invented.

Please, let's try and keep the discussion on topic.

[dipayankar]

There you go. Lets get back to what we should be discussing.... Can LHC give us the answer to what dark matter is???

This thread has gone way off topic: this is not the place to discuss whether or not we should be doing such research. It's quite obvious why we should be conducting such research rather than sitting in our caves lighting fires. As someone has said above, CERN was actually where the world wide web was invented.

Please, let's try and keep the discussion on topic.

[Yanborg]

There you go. Lets get back to what we should be discussing.... Can LHC give us the answer to what dark matter is???

Kaku thinks it will allow us to read the mind of God. Up there on his throne in the 11th dimension.