LHC (Large Hadron Collider)

[baudrunner]

Everybody needling this thread,

I just thought that we might all like to get back on the subject, so I thought it might be a good idea to throw out this link of mine.

[dipayankar]

This will hold water if string theory is good. I have my own doubts on the string theory.

Kaku thinks it will allow us to read the mind of God. Up there on his throne in the 11th dimension.

[Spiral Path]

With all the dire predictions about the LHC and its imminent start-up, may I post my own prediction?
The Higgs boson will not be found as it simply does not exist, just like black holes. Physicists should try the variable G instead with the SG-gravity model to discover the secret workings of the Universe.

[Graybeard]

Hi Greg

Mikal has pointed out that on a world scale the money used could have gone to better use and seems to be her objection to this and she points out a personal viewing and personal feeling there is just not something right there. ...

I go deeper in to the money thought and ponder because if in any research someone suffers ... it is not right ... do we stop it? All research? ... no we will not do that, it just goes underground.

What is the weighing on the scales Greg ... the word comes back from your owned learned self and others ... this project is good.

I see other "priorities", Fermilab ... another project of science done on the backs of others need unfulfilled ... right nothing fair to life. Maybe if there was more "This Project was made possible by the starvation and deaths of the following list of humans who were not helped on the world scale and social brotherhood of the term humanity demands to create the following benefits to all humanity ...."

The difference in ethical behavior is the use of tax money instead of donated time and money ... the spending of tax money under guise of worthy deed has to be compared to other problems, deaths, disasters ... and science is not better or more worthy of these things or has a higher priority and it is akin to the Nazi war camps where the priority was to science not the human persona or human condition over all ...

If in the face of need and instead of donated, model of reference, time and money to CERN or Fermilab the money and time was spent to solve the needs or not then could be a measurement of worthiness indeed of those involved but not otherwise as is presented here, I am sorry greg. In such projects those with understanding of this ethical factor of research in any disciplines of ...science ... the human individual has priority.

Hi Graham ... sorry, but I missed this post earlier. Fermilab and CERN are not akin to Nazi death camps you silly old bugger .... lol.

Fermilab was not, and is not a failure. Why do you think that?

I think both you and Mikal are taking a too simplistic view of it. CERN is an investment in the future. Wasn't it Jesus who said 'the poor are always with us'. I have always taken this to mean that if you spend everything on the poor, then you will always be putting out the fire at its face, and doing nothing about the cause.

Because the benefits appear intangible to people like you and me, does not mean they don't exist. All accelerators have been calculated risks, but we are here today on computers because of them.

What do you want me to say that you all pro CERN type mind set became unethical bastards to me? I am nobody to you so why would that be an issue? I am not as educated or rich or important as any of you would be.

No, i am to much a gentleman to do that. My posts are sole that of personal ponder = contemplation and having to scream out loud the primal yell of frustration ... when will man learn what is important and what has to wait.

Does this answer your question?

There is nothing wrong with getting it off your chest .. lol. And you are a Gentleman with a capital G.

Do you know what the Sudan an African drought was caused by? War and science where we put so much particles in the air the change of seasons did not allow the air stream to cross the equator ... particles in the air that acted as a shield to the needed event

I think there is a bit more to it than that. I think you would have to include the total mismanagement of the entire area from the time of Haille Selassie to the present. Italy's management in particular. These are the more prime causes of the ethopian-Sudan environment today.


Cheer up old buddy ... the world is as good as it can be

cool bananas ... greg

[G_burnett]

Ty Greg for your post.

You are quite right about my poor example of the German camps ... and you are correct about the poor always being with us ... was it not just recently said we are only six people away now from being able to know everyone?

The pursuits of men ... that is a ponder. When I searched Fernilab it came up with posts that it had gone to hell with the ones in charge turning it into a make work project for there kids and notation there were lawsuits regarding some improper advances toward the woman taken on there ... an now with such the only real thought I would have in memory of it is just that ... history hmmm ... man will go on you are quite right. Unethical, preposterously inane psychotically advancing into the wild ... blue ... yon der mickey mouse ... ladada

my mind is working over time reading to much of mel. lol

the butterfly effect of the war pollution did cause the lack of shift and being as sensitive as the environment is ... ok i will say we just do not have enough data. ...the free world saved Europe and killed Africa is not something i would want to admit to doing either even if it was an accident or action based on good intent still ... although of ignorance one must surmise Italy yes but to local ... blame it on the ruskies lol no no blame it on the Iranians or wait no the poppy fields being burned in Pakistan or wait heres a good one the RCMP in BC disposing by bon fire all the BC Bud they find at the end of summer with aerial photos last year showing over 16000 outdoor grows in the mountains just on Vancouver Island here lol ... did i mention the 911 effect on the particles effect? when the planes all over the world were grounded for that short time after and what happened to the temp of the earth?

I have swung into the area of ponder that the perspective paradox be such that we do not have to worry so much about global warming but more global condensing would be the event to picture ... yea i know very profound but the conditions are advanced enough to see another ice age shape up rather quickly IMHO

sort of like when the woolly mammoths got the food they just ate frozen with them undigested ... that sort of fast super Arctic high enter the cold of space type fast freeze ... how do you think that happened? Particles in the air would be my best guess ... crystallization ... condensation ... carbon dioxide levels increasing ... all has a certain asymmetry to it .. a flow to a conclusion but then we have not had many interesting times to live in as the Chinese would curse us with these last 20 or 30 k years ... I am doing my free energy device up.

Worlds ready for it or being that I am too old, too tall, too ugly, to poor, bored and my wolf bitch dresses me funny to much an drinks all my JD on me when I am not looking ... all adding up to get your money out of oil boys and buy neodymium and cobalt ... times are a changing ... CERN made me do it lol

It benefited mankind already and its not even ruining full speed yet!

~kind regards g

[neutralino]

The Higgs boson will not be found as it simply does not exist, just like black holes.

How much would you be prepared to bet on that?

[Spiral Path]

How much would you be prepared to bet on that?

Since this month I don't even have grocery money left from my far-below-poverty-line retirement income, I can't bet any cash on my prediction, neutralino.

But I am so sure about the truth of my statement and the validity of my new TOE theory that I am willing to bet my professional reputation on it (which, as far as I realize, is now near zero anyway - so I won't lose much).

However, at the same time I am not complaining about the huge amount of money they spent on the construction of the LHC. After all, since this is an international effort, at least here those various participating countries are building something together and not destroying each other's infrastructure as they often did in the past. In this respect I fully agree with your post of November 30, 2007 in this thread as well as with your signature. I am sure the LHC will reveal something else interesting about our world.

S.P.

[dleviwing]

Hi neutralino;
You’re betting with a two headed coin. The way particle physicist interpret any quantitative measure of energy as a particle, you can’t loose. The LHC may just be the instrument to create that unit of measure.

BTW: good to see you back.

[Graybeard]

particle physicist interpret any quantitative measure of energy as a particle

Dave ... isn't this just a semantic difference ? A rose by any other name ......

cool bananas ... greg

[dipayankar]

I wouldn't like to make any presumptions on Higgs Boson, nor would I like to give up. Lets wait and see....

How much would you be prepared to bet on that?