"Energy is to mass what time is to space"

[humanbydefault]

My last reply in one of those threads was about the influence of the limitation impossed by the eather in a given magnitude of energy and its materialization into matter as a direct result.
Could we derive the same line of reasonning into the concept of space and time?

Let's see where it takes us down the road:
Let's start this thread by taking something for granted first so we could have a basis to begin... Let's take TIME. Some philosophers have said that "TIME IS A PERMANENT PRESENT" Which means that it could be like an "eternal NOW." I THINK THAT THERE COULD BE A LOT OF RIGHT INTO THAT SENTENCE. However we have learned that time not always behave as a constant across the universe and that gives a hint as something very familiar to us by now: energy-mass relationship.
What if... There is a threshold also that impedes SPACE from becoming infinite? What if there is a relationship [based on an universal limitation too] that creates a sort of proportionality between the space available in the universe as a whole and the time from the birth of it?
Could we find a way to trick TIME by spliting the concept of SPACE into more than one reality?
Could we mimic what some quantum of energy did in the case of the two slit experiment and find the way of "splitting space?" Could this have a meanning to you? I wich someone could tell me if there is some sense into all this.
What if reversing the constant of time for space instead?
Let's say that space would be fixed magnitude that could be tricked by splitting time around it...

Interesting considerations... don't you agree?

See you soon.

HUMANBYDEFAULT

[humanbydefault]

OK! I think that was divagating a little bit inside my thoughts. Let's be more specific in my point.
Some people [including members of this beutiful forum too] have implied in their hypothesis that objects "generate" around them space-time fields. My point is different. I believe that every physical entity [from a single atom to the more complex biological organism] actually "exist" "reside" inside their own space-time conditions or "field" if you like.
Why is Uranium a radioactive metal?
Ansewr: well... Because it radiates waves of energy from its inside [radiation]. Great! But why? The question is not answer until you end up with no more why (s). There must to be something around Uranium that "force" it to break appart its chemical or physical configuration and simply: decay.

If the universe were static or in other words unchanged as time elapses there would be no reason for Uranum to become unstable due to its heaviness [too many protons inside its nucleus].

Before the nuclear era scientists thought that by introducing a neutron inside a heavy atom like Uranium they would be able to obtain a much more heavier atom just like the one following next in the periodic table of elements... But you know what? They were wrong this time again! Uranium split in more simpler atoms an expelled some energy by doing just that. Of course all of this is history but why heavier atoms decay is still an unanswered question. We assume that the universe is contiunuosly changing its shape: expanding or contracting is in my opinion irrelevant. The POINT is that the constant change also vary the relationship SPACE-TIME that originally existed billions of years ago. It's also conceivable that there could be regions in deep region of this same universe we live in where Uranium [for example] would not be a radioactive metal but either an stable one or simple it could have disappeard from existence long ago [due to its excesive heaviness].
What I'm saying is simple: Changes in the LOCAL correspondance between SPACE and TIME in different regions of the universe are the only responsible for determining the level of stability of matter [elements forming part of it] across the entire universe.
If we could travel closer to the Sun the actual space-time generated inside the star could be responsible for the inmense furnace that warm us every day as a result of its nuclear power.

Take another example! The lavae and the liquid state of those elements making for the filling at the center of the Earth. I remember learning in school that my teachers used to say that the Earth was cooling itself slowly and that's why outside is cold and really hot in its center.
That is another MYTH like the one that Earth was FLAT centuries ago. After billions of years passed in time the Earth had no opportunity to fianlly cool its interior?
Tell me something... Do you actually believe that "childish story"?

The reason the inside of our planets [and perhaps many others in the system] was white hot has nothing to do with a slowly and "never-ending" cooling process told by our teachers, but with a more sophisticated process in the very fabric of the SPACE-TIME right at the center of the planet... Believe me or not it's the true.

Every system at its own very SCALE responds to its own energy-mass and space-time variables. Those particular or "individual" variables interact at the same time with sourrounding systems creating a link or bond in certain cases like in a chemical solution of many substances.

Back to our atom of Uranium, it can't be heavier without breaking appart in pieces releasing some energy as a result.

Who knows? Probably manipulating space-time conditions humans could even find the eternal source of energy... a cheap, clean and endless one.

HUMANBYDEFAULT

HUMANBYDEFAULT

[use]

Hi,

you were very brave to put a connection betwen time and space on such level, I absolutely support raising the significance of connection to proposed level because ultimately time-space connection could explain many of things we are now theoreticaly trying to solve through many fundamental theories.

There are couple of important things related to this issue, one of it is that since one of the explainable parts of time definition is that time is a measurement of mass and/or energy action which can be detected ( means ultimately everything )

one must confess that in the essence there is no distinction, other then our perception, between macro level ( visible space or a Universe as a whole ) and micro level ( detection of space with instrumements, limited capabiulity of detection )

related to this macro and micro level confession is the fact that
the dominant forces of universe ( these forces are parts of so-called unified force theory ), which are strength-dependent strongly on whether they act in macro or micro level, are also well defined with time parameter

therefore time could be a unified force itself ( I do not think that mathematicians would say it is impossible ) with space as a parameter which defines role of time ( space as a parameter is not as simple as that and leaves lot of opportunities either in volume or in directions ).

best regards,

use

[humanbydefault]

One thing you need to take into consideration my friend is that to the effects of the math in quantum mechanics TIME and /or SPACE could move forward or backward as it pleases us to obtain experimental results according to facts... right?

That could only make sense if and only if the concept of time and/or space would be different and inherent to each of the systems that participate in the physical interaction.
Going back in time? That's to me [personally] is the most idiotic thing that I ever heard in my entire life.
HOWEVER! If we were to consider that each entity [be that an atom or a solar system] comes into the "equation" with its own space-time coordinates or I'd say their own "SPACE-TIME CONSTANT" then the final result would perfectly be able to account for all kinds of "unexplainable entanglements" and weird results.
Einstein proposed [with a lot of fundaments] that light speed is the maximum velocity of electromagnetic waves in the vaccum. That is something no body could argue, right?
However experiments with some graphite have proved that in certain instances light could move f.t.l. across the solids. Cherenkov radiation is a proof of radiation moving f.t.l. and desaccelerating to regular light speed inside the water.... what causes the errie blue color in nuclear reactors... non of thi is a secret today and it has been explained very accurately.
That could explain why even LIGHT could "violate" certain "human rules" as they are interacting with a different type of medium.
The so-called EATHER [so manny times contradictory in the physics world] must be seen as a "particular MEDIUM" and one we live and make our observations in. The eather is not and can not be the same across the entire universe for many reasons.
I have said that not too far from our homes.... In the center of the Earth the "liquid eather" that fills those recondit regions of the planet's interior must be entirely different than the one known to us in the surface. It also means that the "CONSTANT" referring to the proportionality of the density of SPACE-TIME at those depths must consequently be different.

Think about it and you'll see my point.

Brave? I don't know about it... I would rather qualify it as intriguing don't you think?

HUMANBYDEFAULT

[use]

"...effects of the math in quantum mechanics TIME and /or SPACE could move forward or backward as it pleases us to obtain experimental results according to facts..."

It is absolutely correct, however keep in mind that according to latest testimonies of mathematicians our math in many advansed fields ( incl. quantum mechanics ) is 50-80 years behind - it needs to be invented in order to put more light into lot of theories.Therefore I expect that math will make a crucial role in verifying theories incl. quantum mechanics.

As far as Ether is concerned

Ether itself as a definition has many subsequent opened questions and their answers could shake tremendously fundamental bricks of our knowledge.Zero point energy and ether together are dependent on each other for many reasons, one of it is that they have equal possibility ( or rather impossibility ) to detect each and both of them accurately in experiment at same time ( at the moment I will put aside consequenses of Casimir effect in order to focus on more important issue ).However if we could agree that our Universe is our perception from the point how we see it and detect it with instruments then ( in absolute terms ) term Ether is the same in micro and macro levels which consequtively means that zero point energy and Ether allow same chance to dominant forces of nature ( part of so-called unified force ) to act or interact in micro and macro levels which, according to our instruments is not happening- according to our measurements dominacy of particular force strongly is dependent whether it acts in micro or macro level.The reason of that could easily be space-time interaction because parameter time in particular space ( micro, macro or whole Universe ) may decide which force is dominant.Crucial thing here is not actualy time, either though it decides on force dominacy, but space however issue about space is here far more complicated!

regards,

use

[humanbydefault]

We must see SPACE as the actual scenario or stage where the universe "follows its destiny." Time is not a physical "entity" and we know that but it is an important TOOL to measure the interaction between mass [as Einstein wisely defined as condensed energy] and the rest of radiation energy [as I consider it to be "decayed matter"]. The contradictorial EATHER so many times discuss in today's physics literature is nothing more than the RESULT of those interactions INSIDE the stage we called space causing a differential ELAPSING OF TIME depending the angle we analize the process... a cell, an atom, a chain of molecules or an entire planet.

I realized that many members of this FORUM are trying to describe the nature of the medium and its internal mystery >>> The EATHER. If only we were able to imagine that there is no such thing as an universal EATHER just as no UNIVERSAL TIME or even SPACE THINGS WOULD BE BETTER UNDERSTOOD. It is the intercgange of "so many eathers" with "so many others" around it that makes for what we see as something universal. Would the Eather exist without matter or energy?
You must asked yourselves first if there is a tiny place in this vast universe without or EMPTY of mass, energy and the so-called forces we have classified in our books>>>> none.
We HUMANS tend to look for rules, laws and principles that could be used in a rather universal way to predict experimental results throughout the cosmos and/or every where.
THE FINAL ANSWER [AS I BELIEVE IT IS UNIVERSAL] IS THAT THERE IS NOTHING UNIVERSALY CONSTANT. We speak for what we observe inside our small and localized solar system... But we ignore that space,time mass and energy are resdistributed non-uniformingly across the entire universe making it for diferent patterns and different results. The atom [as we know it today] could be entirely different in its internal structure and the laws of chemistry very different to what we are acustomed to here on Earth.
The only trully universal in all this would be that as those four parameters are changed due to a unequal distribution of mass and energy across the STAGE [space] the "stories" would be different to the one we have heard.

Take this following example as my last attempt to convince you [readers of this post] about the mystery behind Eather, mass and energy:

When you were a child you saw the entire world and its population as something spinning around your home and your own parents or those who cared for you in your infancy. The rules you must follow were those voiced out by those persons responsible for you. As you grew up and began to "go out" that world you realized that life is much more complicated that what you thought those early years. People behaved differently and were guided by a different set of values than those guiding your own family.
Then you realized that there is IMPOSSIBLE to draw a constant pattern to define the concept of "HOME" or "Family"... right?
Of course! You might be thinking: You are reffering to people [humans] here. What does this has to do with energy and mass, not to mention the eather?
Think about the Eather [inside your home] as the set or pattern of the RELASHIOSHIP between the members of your own family. If someone comes into the family [a new born for example] the resulting "eather" would have to change in one way or another. It implied an inclusion of a new "mass" and a new "energy" altogether right?

It's funny I know but I want you to see how there is a connection between energy-mass in the MAKING of the EATHER while using its place or stage [space]. As "life goes on" in each home, in town and the country all together the internal dynamics of its complex and developing RELASHIOSHIP is also changing... We call it ENTROPY. Life is a permanent entropy that begins with our birth and ends with our death in a world we defined as our SPACE along the axis of TIME [the time we are allowed to stay alive].

Think about these metaphorical parallels and you'd be amazed by its effects.

HUMANBYDEFAULT

A final aclaratory note: Is it charge [positive and/or negative] an absolute entity? You know that it isn't so. Charge is the result of the CONFRONTATION BETWEEN THOSE DIFFERENT "EATHERS" IN THEIR STRUGGLE FOR UNIFICATION AND SURVIVAL.

[humanbydefault]

Take for example the so-called "Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle." Why couldn't we [as the unique observers around...] be so incapable to produce an exact measurement when it comes to the quantum realm?
If Einstein was right in many things, especially when he proposed that "God never plays dice..." Why are we always left OUT OF THE GAME?
If you follow that line of reasoning, you'll see that even though we have stated a bunch of physical principles and laws [gravity, electro-magnetism, therodynamics, etc] Non of those so-called universal principles stand right in front of a small change at those "levels."
There is always a BECAUSE to each WHY.... isn't it, friends?

If any of those changes we spoke about was the direct responsible for changing the EATHER being generated by each and every participating system then we would be modifying ALSO the current state of affairs... The stage [space] and the time also would be instantaneously changed too.

HUMANBYDEFAULT

If the "observer" interact with the system while trying to proceed with a measurement it is logical that the resulting space-time and/or energy-mass conditions set at the beginning of the experiment were instantaneously changed.

Profesor R. Feynman tried to explained this as a "sum of all stories" and he reached some impressive results [experimental ones]. It was obvious for all who could think this way I just described that in the sum of all stories must be the final one... no doubts about it(!)
Since there is no unique MEDIUM or eather that accounts in equal mode to every participant entities in a given process, but each participant OWNS a internal eather or medium and each and every one interacts with its own set of conditions [in response to the structure and density of its own mediums] the final eather or medium where the quantum or particle ought to be found must be directly influence by a new and entirely different eather that results as the combinations of all included... not that simple eh?

[Vanamali]

By taking energy mass equivalence in the same line as the relation between space and time, you are committing a great mistake.
According to Einstein's theory of relativity, mass and energy are inter convertible and time is an integral part of the fabric which forms the universe. What do these two statements mean? By a simple example, I can explain the first statement as "asking for 1kg of sugar is the same as asking for 9x10^16J of sugar. It simply means that a given mass when completely converted gives an energy of c^2 times of it mass.
Lets come to the second statement. If one has a basic knowledge of vector spaces, this is fairly easy to understand. The statement, in simple terms, means that to express any event occurring in this universe, one requires at least four elements and space and time time together form those four elements. In other words, the 3D space and time form the 4D space-time fabric on which the universe rests. Thus the relation between space and time and that between mass and energy are totally different.

[Mohan.C]

By taking energy mass equivalence in the same line as the relation between space and time, you are committing a great mistake.
According to Einstein's theory of relativity, mass and energy are inter convertible and time is an integral part of the fabric which forms the universe. What do these two statements mean? By a simple example, I can explain the first statement as "asking for 1kg of sugar is the same as asking for 9x10^16J of sugar. It simply means that a given mass when completely converted gives an energy of c^2 times of it mass.
Lets come to the second statement. If one has a basic knowledge of vector spaces, this is fairly easy to understand. The statement, in simple terms, means that to express any event occurring in this universe, one requires at least four elements and space and time time together form those four elements. In other words, the 3D space and time form the 4D space-time fabric on which the universe rests. Thus the relation between space and time and that between mass and energy are totally different.

Hmmm....
Basically, what those statements mean is that.
Time, space, energy and mass are measurements.
And time as a dimension can be explained ike your mass energy explanation.
Instead of saying Bangalore is 140 Kms from Mysore, I can say Bangalore is a 2 and 1/2 hour drive from Mysore.
All the four depend on the units in which they are expressed, they are all relative. And they all are basically mathematical tools to express what we know in numbers.

[spacedout]

E = mc^2 and D = (x^2+y^2+z^2)^1/2 have a lot in common. If you multiply D by t which is time as well as the other side of the equation by t you get the velocity of the x,y,z components and the squares are energies. In other words to travel the distance D you must take say 9x steps zig zag to give 3 steps velocity, then say 16y steps to give 4 steps velocity and it Z =0 you have a 3-4-5 trinagle in which the diagonal is 5. In this case 16y and 9x = 25 the 25 is the mass because velocity has slowed and is also the energy while 3x and 4y are the velocities the 25 energy unites are carried across the components as smaller entities. If this is so we live in a matrex ether of linear forward and backward movements. E = mc^2 means energy is equal to the number of identities having c^2 units. It seems there is a time-line that makes a matrix by 3 linear groupings x,y,z that recycle. This idea can explain everything.