[siddharthsma]

Now I want to ask a question.

The curves of space-time caused by gravity result in time dilation. So beyond the event horizon of black holes, time is said to be so dilated that it completely 'freezes'.
Now lets just assume that somehow we are able to warp space-time so much that it goes into 'negative warp' or time is dilated to such an extent that it flows backwards and space-time is folded over itself. Now if this occurs, distance is folded over itself, does this mean that if a massless particle was moving with a velocity v, crosses from a 'positive warp' to a 'negative warp', its direction of motion would change because distance in inverted ?!

[Guille]

Before answering the question I need to know what you mean by 'negative warp'. It is a term which doesn't make sense. Warping space-time so much that it folds over itself? What can that mean? It doesn't make any sense at all, neither physically nor mathematically.

[siddharthsma]

'Negative Warp' ; Ok I know it seems physically impossible. However, just imagine it was possible for a while. I am just trying to refer to when space-time is squashed so much that it goes beyond infinite squashing into a negative warp. Please ignore the physical impossibility of this right now. Perhaps later I will tell you why I asked this question ...

[mkirkpatrick]

siddharthsma,prehaps what you are discribing by negitive warp is the "Infolding" of time
and space,infolding until it no longer is within the space-time continuum?It would then
exit this universe as we know it,and emerge in an absolute void.

regards michael.

[siddharthsma]

Ok. So why would it no longer be part of the continuum ?

And how do you define the void in which it exists ?

The way I see it, its almost as if, the negative warp now lays directly underneath the positive warp ( imagine this in a 2 dimensonal way like it were drwan on paper ). Now just for a minute suppose this was true. If we see a particle on the positive warp, this would not be different from the same particle on the negative warp or would it ?
Anyway, first lets just sort the first questions. How it not be on the continuum, I dont understand.

[gautam]

And how can we say that the space time is not wrapped over itself , at least in some part of this universe. But we are made out of mass and that fact therfore goes out of our domain of experience and understanding. In MEST theory as I have suggested that space-time is extension of mass -energy. We shall keep ourselves lost in this maze as long as we will see the truth broken, into the spheres of various aspects, of the One.

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by siddharthsma Ok. So why would it no longer be part of the continuum ? And how do you define the void in which it exists ? The way I see it, its almost as if, the negative warp now lays directly underneath the positive warp ( imagine this in a 2 dimensonal way like it were drwan on paper ). Now just for a minute suppose this was true. If we see a particle on the positive warp, this would not be different from the same particle on the negative warp or would it ? Anyway, first lets just sort the first questions. How it not be on the continuum, I dont understand.

The continuum is this universe,the physical representation of an inner reality.
The negitive warp would exit this universe and manifest in either a void-absolute vacuum
or prehaps emerge into an anti-matter universe.

regards michael

[gautam]

To my mind terms like void and vacuum denote empty space in the universe and hence lead to some misconceptions. Space and time dont exist. Rather we exist against an imaginary backdrop of spacetime and hence the reflection.

[lodestar]

ooh I really like this question. You're thinking about almost the same thing that led me to my theory of 1/0.

Yes, it is entirely possible for time space to become negatively warped and this is what my diagram known as the number circle shows you. So when the big bang occurred, it was as if time space came from negative time and dilated so much that it suddenly ripped into positive time through an infinitely small point (this is called the big bang). So basically, what your talking about with negative warps illustrates the idea that the expansion of the universe is really just like a negative lorentz transformation that is happening in all directions at once. Recall that a lorentz transformation is what causes an object approaching the speed of light to shrink in the direction of it's motion. So theoretically our universe was created by a speeding bullet that shot faster than the speed of light from a higher dimension, and when it did this, it was moving in every direction at once (since it was derived from a higher dimension, and that's why our universe expands in every direction at once). So the speeding bullet had some degree of absolute acceleration in order to cross the speed of light. Note. absolute acceleration is defined as the amount of acceleration you would need to go from whatever speed you're at to greater than the speed of light in a planck second or less.

So when an object exceeded the speed of light in a higher dimension it created our universe. Also it created our speed of light which is less than the speed of light in the higher dimension from which our universe was derived.

I hope I'm not confusing you. Let's run through a scenario. Let's say you send something faster than the speed of light. When this happens that object's space/time will fold over itself and this is what I call time/space inversal. So when your object crosses over the point of time/space inversal (i.e. the point at the speed of light) it will begin expanding into negative space/time. But to the new universe you just created this seems like positive space/time. So depending on how much acceleration your object has when it crosses the speed of light a new speed of light will be defined for that object and the universe it creates. If your object's acceleration is 1/0 when it crosses the inversal point then the universe you create will have the exact same speed of light as you do, but if your object has an acceleration less than 1/0 when it crosses the speed of light (which it probably will) then the new universe you create will have a slower speed of light. In this way all densities with lower speeds of light are derived from objects exceeding the speed of light in higher densities. The highest density of all is where the speed of light is 1/0.

So that covers space/time inversal which explains the big bang perfectly. The reason we have a certain cosmic background radiation image is because that is how the object that created our universe looked directly prior to making a quantum leap across the speed of light from a higher dimension. This quantum leap is what explains the perceived period of inflation. So the actual point of space/time inversal is skipped over due to the quantization of time ala classical quantum mechanics. The only way you can exceed the speed of light is to make a quantum leap over it.

So that is one type of negative warp that you speak of, space/time inversal. The other type is space/time "ex"versal. If we think of inversal as time turning inside out through an infinitely small point, we can think of exversal as time turning outside in around an infinitely large point. This will occurr when the universe is expanding at greater than lightspeed at less than planck scales.

well, hopefully that's enough to think about for now. That might be the most I've described my theory ever. Keep up with the good ruminations.

-lodestar

Originally Posted by siddharthsma Now I want to ask a question. The curves of space-time caused by gravity result in time dilation. So beyond the event horizon of black holes, time is said to be so dilated that it completely 'freezes'. Now lets just assume that somehow we are able to warp space-time so much that it goes into 'negative warp' or time is dilated to such an extent that it flows backwards and space-time is folded over itself. Now if this occurs, distance is folded over itself, does this mean that if a massless particle was moving with a velocity v, crosses from a 'positive warp' to a 'negative warp', its direction of motion would change because distance in inverted ?!

[gautam]

Dear Lodestar, I really appreciate your quantam effort. But it finally take us and our minds into a more obscure region. An object from higher dimension is no less fantastical than the supreme concept of God , only more mechanical. If we can comprehend the movement of one object in all directions, we will surely get a break through. The principle of uncertainity is a humanly possible version of the same. I strongly believe that we are stuck up with idea of big bang for a long time,which was strengthened by the fact of expanding universe. The expasion of universe as you said is an inversal of time space in our mind perhaps. The so called expansion is reason de attre of our existence. We shouldnt forget that we are thinking and researching in a premeditated direction. There are bound to be lot of positive signals of reching close to the truth, because our earlier found part truths have there counterparts still lost in the vastness. Both put together will be false probably. Anyways, my friend, you have substance but believe me, we are here to finally cancel what we think is right. That is so far the cardinal truth.