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    Post "Cloaking devices"

    They are here and I'm not talking about those old classic episodes from Sci-fi "Star trek" this time. Could the image of an object be artificially erased from "our observational sensors?" There is no doubts about that fact these days.

    The whole thing brings into light new concepts about Einstein's special relativity I discussed in some of my articles long ago right here.

    Remember in one of my posts [months ago] about the way I described WHY a ship flying close to "c" will look to us as if the front of the flying object would shrink? And WHY just the front of the rocket and not the very tail of it?

    My answer to that was pretty simple: Because the first photons carrying the information of the actual reflection of the front part of the ship will have a "wave-interaction" with those coming a microsecond later from other parts of the same fuselage of the ship!

    If we stand far from the path of the ship, the image we receive will be affected by the common interaction of multiple images reflecting the same ship in different instances of time. It is like an "IMAGING-RENORMALIZATION PROCESS" occurring uniformaly as time progresses.

    I don't know if the thought is understood by some of you but the fact of the matter is that I disagree with Einstein's idea of a actual mass shrinking as the object reaches a speed closer to "c".

    I believe that instead of a physical shrink as he stated long ago, it is just one artificially-produced-shrinking resulting from a constant addition and deleting of the final image. Remember this: Photons are massless "chunks" of energy as Einstein himself described them. Therefore they propagate across space as WAVES. This is the feature that makes possible to change the image of an object and therefore >>>> "THE NOTION OF ITS EXISTENCE."

    Think about this issue and you'll see that it will be possible to hide the presence of any object in the near future although not its true existence.

    We know very well that the notion of an object's existence is given by light. Photons MOVING AS WAVES UNTIL THEY COLLAPSE carry the information needed in our brains to inform us of the presence of an object.
    We also know that "c" is the speed of light in the eather where we live and the eather is "local" in nature. Do not issunderstand me: Physics is not local, the eather on the other hand IS! That's why "c" could achieve greater speeds than the one we believe to be the universal limit.

    Resuming the effect: The most important thing to understand is that the notion of the existence or presence of an object is given by its reflection. Unless the object itself were a source of light. The multiple interaction of those time-differentials affecting the reflection will change the shape of objects according to our observations ONLY.

    No change in mass is caused by speed as Einstein used to say in the past. Even if we were able to fly close to "c" [which seems impossible] our shape and size will stay the same no mater what.

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    Smile Re: "Cloaking devices"

    Thanks HBD.I read the article a few days ago about invisibility.and that soon a ship will
    be able to be cloaked!(Is this another Philidelphia Eperiment?)Enjoyed reading your post
    and good to see you back here mate.

    kind regards michael.
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    Lightbulb Re: "Cloaking devices"

    Thanks Mike! It's always a pleasure to hear you too. You are one of the few guys here with a great sense of optimism and understanding.

    It's really interesting what's going on in the field right now. The military is trying to develope a system that could make radar technology blind in front of planes. The principle is just the same as the one it will be use to hide onjects from our visibility. It all depends on the frequency range of the waves received by sensors and the ability to transform them in the way back to the base. My point in the threat was that we know about an object [a ship, a navy vessel or a plane] from the info we get through waves. In the case of sealing with radars we are talking about microwaves, in the case of our eyes we are talking about photons. The wavelength of the information-carriers is different in each case but the ability to change the final result is very similar.

    The solution to that puzzle lies in the ability to produce a delay in the reflection of alternating crosssections of the object. Back to my example of Einstein's lightspeeding ship the front of the vehicle was shrunk by the interaction [addition and deleting effect] of the same waves carrying part of the information of other parts of the ship as the flying vessels cruise across space.

    In the example above, the speed is so great that it interfere with the net or final result of the information at the receptor site. If someone is trying to "disappear" an object that is not moving at all the procedure must mimic the same phenomenon... in other words, parts of the object [vehicle, ship or tank] must be equipped with a imaging retarder system and that is achievable with the application of optically refractant materials capable of doing the needed delay.

    Imagine the surface of an object looking more like the skin of a fish than a plain surface. When light is reflected by such object photons carrying the information of its existence will be manipulated in a way it can be seen.

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    Smile Re: "Cloaking devices"

    Thanks HBD,do you think that there will bea cloaking device made small enough that
    say a man could wear one,and render hinself invisible?


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    Lightbulb Re: "Cloaking devices"

    I have think about it Mike and I think that it will be very difficult if not impossible to do that and I'm telling you the reason here:

    As today we know that the information about the presence of an object [or a person] is delivered by some sort of returning waves. Stealth planes were capable in some degree of producing an overall distorsion affecting those waves in their way back to sensors [radars]. They were almost "invisible" to radars although we all know they were flying just as other planes do.

    But to make something invisible to radars is not as difficult as to make something transparent to our naked eyes.

    I have the feeling that we even today can't not observe remote stars and planets precisely because they are in fact CLOAKED!

    Yes! Nature is capable of reproducing the same effect using only the distance from an object. It is the same effect produced with a great speed too, as I explained to you in the first post. The whole thing lies in the ability to make waves to "collide" in such a way that when they get to the distance where the sensors are they result in a ZERO net energy>>> empty space.

    I am 100% convinced that the cloaking effect is ONLY EFFECTIVE TO GIVEN DISTANCES. To my understanding, the way I see the phenomenon I can't not believe that an object could be cloacked to any possible observer in space. It is distance-dependednt if I could use that expression...

    You play with the FOCUS at which those waves interact resulting in zero and you have an object made disappear.

    By designing a variable surface [just like lisard do to avoid their enemies] we could build the smartest and difficult to detect cloacking device ever seen in military warefare.

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    Smile Re: "Cloaking devices"

    Many thanks HBD you have given me something to think about,the Chamelion which
    is a form of lizard,as you know can so effectively blend into its background it is to all
    intents and purposes invisible!

    regards michael.
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    Post Re: "Cloaking devices"

    It's really an amazing subject indeed,mike.

    You know? I hope that someday scientists will be able to actually manufacture a real cloaking devise capable of making ships and vehicles disappear from space... Of course, by now you would guess I'm talking to a "false disappearance" since their existence [physical] remains intact.
    Furthermore, It's my belief that the day we do exactly that we will better understand that what Einstein saw as "an assumed warping or curving in the fabric of space-time" was nothing but a CHANGE OF THE EATHER'S DENSITY IN 3D SPACE."
    Time was never a dimension my friend mike, time is just a TOOL used by scientists to measure the speed of a physical phenomenom and its entropic rate.
    There is no doubt in my mind that the concept of time is just a human definition of our perception of that entropy that began with the birth of the universe and continues today. Science has been said to be the art of measurements and that's all it is. Time is an unvluable part of the measurement process as we all know.
    When Albert Einstein referred to a sort of "contraction" or expansion" of time and/or space he was trying [mathematically] to explain why certain entropic processes were behaving at different rates [speed]. The fact is that it was never a true "internal connection" between space and time as we imagine it in our minds, but something like the difference in temperature when we swim in the ocean waters. Sometime you feel a current of colder water reaching you for a short period of time and later a hotter one.

    The eather behaves very much like the waters in the ocean. Its density changes and everything present [physically existent] will change its pace according to it.

    What this has to do with cloaking an object? A great deal my friend. By changing the angle of the light reflection or difraction on the surface of the object [targeted for disappearance] we "FAKE" a change in eather density with respect to the manner those waves carrying the information about the object will INTERACT with each other.

    Is this understandable for you, mike?

    It was in my mind NOT A MINIMUM SHREAD OF A DOUBT that Einstein blamed a human perception [one among the set of our measuring tools: TIME] for a physical entity while it was the eather that really made the miracle he predicted so many times.
    Einstein wrote many articles dismissing the existence of the eather before 1921 as science history shows clear evidences of, however years later the same Einstein so reluctant to admit the existence of an eather in space changed his positions on the issue of the eather and corrected his views about it.
    It was in my humble opinion >>>too little too late<<<. The damage was already done to the concept and we still speak about the warping of space-time as if it was a real thing.

    What's the eather? It is the actual density of energy and/or mass present in a 3d space at a given instant [the "human time"]. The speed of light is dependent od the actual density of the eather for a given wave [propagating energy at "c"]. So, even if we could consider "c" as the speed of 300,000 km/sec, we must ALSO consider that the presence of energy already at the site would have to include a change in the behaving of the speed of light.

    That would explain why a ray of light coming from a distant star would bend as it approaches a star. As we have said in physics many times: energy will find its way looking for the less amount of energy loss. That's why light is forced to change its path near the star corona,mike. The Einsteinian warping of space-time fabric was nothing more than a natural physical feature of energy seen thousand of times before in our experiments. It was true, however, that GRAVITY depends on the density of the eather too. Instead of a curving of time-space as Einstein so many times stated in his "General Theory of Relativity" what it is and always has been is a energy-mass density differential between the layers originated in the Earth's core upward into space.

    Isn't it fascinating? That's what I call "relatively speaking" my friend mike... As human we could take something for granted, giving it "powers" and even "physical identities" as if we were Gods and be able to predict events and experiment results even when we were 100% wrong in our assumptions... AMAZING as the human race!

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    Smile Re: "Cloaking devices"

    Many thanks my friend HBD,for a very clear and concise explanation.

    You said that time was never a dimension,I totally agree.You also said that all science
    was about is measurement,and little else!Again I agree.

    Now back to the script!Cloaking devices,I came across a book many years ago,and have
    since lost,in where it mentioned that in Tibet there were some monks,who practised a
    form of "deflective invisibility"!This was apparently brought about by intense focus and
    mind control,the would in effect "send out the idea that there in no-form here"so as they
    passed someone "their" attention would be "refocussed" and they would see nothing pass
    them by?

    Mind control and deflective invisibility would beworth a fortune today,if perfected,hope the
    CIA are not listening in!

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    Lightbulb Re: "Cloaking devices"

    Here's an interesting story on a cloaking device demonstrated by researchers at Duke University who have developed a real-world cloaking device. The demo is a significant step toward devices which can be used in many applications from military stealth devices to systems that can improve radio communications. Check it out at http://www.designnews.com/article/CA...?text=cloaking

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    Smile Re: "Cloaking devices"

    Quote Originally Posted by Editorgirl35 View Post
    Here's an interesting story on a cloaking device demonstrated by researchers at Duke University who have developed a real-world cloaking device. The demo is a significant step toward devices which can be used in many applications from military stealth devices to systems that can improve radio communications. Check it out at http://www.designnews.com/article/CA...?text=cloaking
    Thank you most mutchly Editorgirl for that website link,looks most promising,wellcome
    to the toequest community,greetings to you from England.look forward to other posts
    from you,BTW are you really an editor?


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