[humanbydefault]

If there is someone more opposed to the "particle theory" at least in this forum... gentlemen that person [no offense!] is going to me: ME.

By the "belt level" [orange and green] I can imagine that you're relatively speaking... new here?

Not that it would be a problem at all... my concern is that you are putting words in my mouth that I never intended to say nor that I said it. Perhaps the other possibility is that you either misunderstood my analogies or simply didn't catch them properly and that wouldn't be a problem at all.

The analogy of the "little bright balls" around a circle was a hypothetical and easy-to-catch way for you to "see" that even considering the speed of light "the top velocity" any E-M radiation could "travel" [propagate its energy] its relative speed will depend in the density of the eather encountered in its path.

No one has said that light is a particle nor that is capable of spinning in a circle... (?)

My spinning analogy of a series or levels of energy-waves "circuling" "rotating" around a point was designed to make you [all the members included] what is actually happening inside the atom. Inside the atom there is no light! Inside the atom [at its very core] there is >>> as I have said both here and in my book more than 2 years ago already self-published<<< a structure of multi-layer of spinning patterns [I called it] "Standing Nuclear Waves" produced as the result of the mutual interaction (interference) of spherical waves scaterred from those energy-speks. Humans have detected Gamma rays in the cosmos and they have classified them as the greatest energy measured yet... I'm talking about the same level or deegre of energy only seen "in its naked state" during the "Big-Bang."

What I've stated [for a long time in more than one ocassion] is that energy ...the same energy believed to expand during the event that took place eons ago during the genesis-time is still in its original status... even today!

That huge and powerfull energy has been dispersed into infinitesimally small speks across the universe interacting with eachother and "looking for" a better and more stable state of "affairs." The result of that long process of INTEGRATION among those "energy-speks" I was talking about was done THANKS TO WHAT WE CALL: STANDING WAVES.
If you take a closer look to my thoughts all I have said is that MATTER or MASS is the "side effect" of that "active (life) interaction" that never stops. If you analyzed the complex structure of the pattern created during the physical phenomenon studied under the denomination of "standing waves" you'll find NO PARTICLES AT ALL! all you'll find is: A SPINNING [A THIRD ALMOST "VIRTUAL"] WAVE HIGHLY DEPENDENT FOR ITS EXISTENCE OF THE TWO THAT CREATED IT IN THE FIRST PLACE... Got it?

If you followed my advised and check the computer-animation of "standing waves" in any WEB PAGE chosen at your will, you'll see the spinning pattern I've mentioned to you here. You'll also realized that this is the only [plausible] reason, explanation for the assumed pairs of electrons "hanging around" "nucleons."

Please go to:

http://www.toequest.com/forum/physic...-part-two.html

And see for yourselves... It would be sad to waste time and words in a misunderstanding.

HUMANBYDEFAULT

[humanbydefault]

If you succeded in getting the picture of what could be a real part of our reality ... meanning the true structure of an atom... I know it may sounds "scary"... but its all about wave-levels built upon other wave-levels and so on!

As more and more "primary atomic cores" [the single hydrogen atom as we call it] integrate each other in a mutual and unified "system" more and more "superimpossed" levels or wave structures start "pilling-up" growing up in size. Waves interact each other resulting in two [very well known] resulting products:

>>>>> A constructive interference.

>>>>> A destructive interference.

...I guess you must agree [at least] with me on this... Anyway!
Try to follow my thoughts for a moment:
I'm talking about the greatest energy there is! Not about light or E-M force... I'm talking about the primary source of energy in the universe... ok so far?

What do your heart will tells you if that incredibly powerful energy capable of scaterring spherical waves in all directions happens to interfere with another one just like "her"?

The confrontation of those two waves will definetly create the most powerful "standing wave pattern" ever ever ever imagine...! But the worse is this:
What will happen with the "region of 3D space" "TRAPPED IN" the ZONE were those waves CANCELLED EACH OTHER OUT?

This is the key to understand everything I've said!

NO PERFECT VACUUM IS ALLOWED IN THIS UNIVERSE!.... However... isn't it what's about to happen here when those cancelling(s) took place a moment ago?

THAT'S MATTER GENTLEMEN! MASS or whatever inert substance you what to call it!

MATTER as an atom is the perfect representation of the ANSWER of this universe of ours to the "VOID-WANNA-BE" originated as the direct result of that "energy-confrontation"!!!

That's why matter is innert! That's why we can measure its position and its momentum at the same time!

The difference of my views and the ones stated by "Bohr's copenhagen interpretation" is crystal clear... I guess!

They assume particles to have a ficticious "wave-function" behaving as waves or particles DEPENDING ON THE SETTING OF OUR EXPERIMENTAL "APPARATUS."

The assumption of particles and their existence is [according to my personal beliefs...] FLAUD! Even more...!OUR REALITY is highly dependent in the status of the realities located on previous SCALES supporting it as the result!

YOU, ME, SCIENTISTS, HUMANS IN GENERAL CAN MANIPULATE THE STATUS OF A GIVEN PHYSICAL REALITY IF WE HAD ACCESS TO THOSE SOURCES THAT SUSTAIN IT... BUT IT DOESN'T WORK BACKWARDS!

A chemical reaction is ONLY capable of affecting the resulting substance made of ELEMENTS in the table... but the actual atomic structure of the ELEMENTS will stay INTACT!

Atoms are made to collide in "atom-smashers" changing the structure of atoms.

HUMANBYDEFAULT

[iseason]

I can't see where your dirision of me came from in you first reply.

I merely stated that your energy packets needed NOT to be static in order to be part of the greater interactions.
When you calmed down a bit in your second post , we were in much more agreement and I have little to oppose in your statements.
However. I get angry when I see the term "energy" used as if it were magic.
Time and again a behaviour is explained because "energy" causes it to be so. "forces" is another of my hates. Because , like energy they become the conjeuring tricks of nature.

Interactions are all that can exsist. Period. I may not be the best physicist on the block , but i know that even a standing wave must be the sum of interacting parts .
Fundementals can only exsist in our imaginations until we gain knowledge of what begets the smallest(largest) object in our reality to "exist".

Your "standing wave " sounds pretty good to me as a state. My interest lies in what makes up , what makes that state. And so on.

Honestly searching for answers
Iseason

[humanbydefault]

You sound pretty open-minded to me... sorry if I said anything that offended you but it wasn't my intention at all.

I'll answer your doubts in this very posting... I'll give you some clues as for what I believe those highly energetic speks of radiation energy [with the same internal energetic power of the Big-Bang era] stay together, make possible the "standing wave pattern" I believe scientists have confused with quasi-particles with electric charges named electrons and I'll convince you right here, right now with one powerful argument... COMON SENSE!

You said you hate the use of "energy" cause it sounds to "general." Forces are the other term seems to you to be suspicious... I don't know if I got the right impression from you, but you are right.

Take a moment to clear your mind and close your eyes... now read what I'm going to descibe to you:

Have you ever heard or read about the work of Casimir? The so-called Casimir effect?

He demonstrated that if you were able to construct and put very close together two little plaques of metal they will "feel" the attraction toward one-another... he was absolutely right!

Imagine a miniature "condenser." He proved that there is a "force" [here it is your hated word again... sorry!] that is created from the expossure of those plaques to "something" in the eather... or vacuum.

The problem with his conclusions... and by the way I included what I'm going to write here for you in my book self-published in 2005, it is not a last-minute "revelation" as you may think... was that he mistakenly proposed that the force was produced by the "push" exert by waves that couldn't fit inside the resonance "box." Since the plaques were separated by a minimum distance from each other, waves populating the eather and/or their harmonics to be more precise, were able to fit inside the "resonant box" created by the distance mentioned above. The rest of the spectrum of waves existing in the vacuum were not able to fit in and therefore they were "able to exert a pressure aginst the "walls" of the "condenser" toward each other."

HE WAS WRONG ACCORDING TO MY ANALYSIS!

WHAT HE WAS ABLE TO OBSERVE WAS THE EFFECT PRODUCED BY THOSE WAVES FITTING INSIDE THE "RESONANCE BOX" AND NOT THE ASSUMED RESULT OF THOSE 'UNINTENTIONALLY" LEFT OUTSIDE!

THOSE WAVES AND THEIR HARMONICS FITTING INSIDE THE RESONANCE PATTERN WERE ABLE TO CREATE "STANDING WAVES" AND THEREFORE IT WAS THE PRESENCE OF THAT PATTERN OF INTERFERENCE WHAT PRODUCED THE FINAL ATTRACTION RESPONSIBLE FOR THE PUZZLING FORCE HE DISCOVERED.

IN MY BOOK THERE IS AN ALIEN I CALLED "ET" AND HE IS IN CHARGE OF THE EXPLANATION OF THE "CASIMIR EFFECT"... IT WAS SUPOSSED TO BE WRITTEN AS A FICTION BOOK, THAT'S WHY THE PRESENCE OF AN ALIEN... GOT IT?

NON-THE-LESS I BELIEVE IN THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART THAT IT WAS THE FORMATION OF THE "STANDING WAVE PATTERN" WHAT BROUGHT ABOUT THE FORCE HE MEASURED AND WAS NAMED AFTER HIS NAME.

NOW! THAT EFFECT NOT MANY PEOPLE HAVE PAID ATTENTION TO IS WHAT'S RESPONSIBLE FOR KEEPING THOSE LEVELS OF HIGH ENERGY SPEKS CLOSE TOGETHER IN THE INTERFERENCE PATTERN WITHOUT THE CHANCE OF GETTING LOOSE FROM EACH OTHER AND WITHOUT THE CHANCE OF JOINNING TOGETHER IN ONE "PIECE." (!)

IF THEY WERE TO FUSED TOGETHER IN ONE BIGGER SPEK OF ENERGY, THE FORCE THAT KEPT THEM VERY CLOSE TOGETHER WOULD CEASE TO EXIST AND THEY WOULD GET SEPARATED FROM EACH OTHER IN A BILLIONTH OF A SECOND!
HOWEVER... IF THEY "TRIED" TO SEPARATE ONE FROM THE OTHER THE PATTERN OF STANDING WAVES FORMED AS THE RESULT OF CONFRONTING SPHERICAL WAVES EMANATING FROM EACH SPEK, WOULD FORCED THEM BACK TOGETHER AGAIN!!!

SO...! THERE YOU HAVE IT! PHYSICISTS HAVE NAMED THAT PARTICULAR "FORCE" THAT IS ABLE TO KEEP QUARKS VERY CLOSE TOGETHER BUT WITH NO CHANCE OF SEPARATION. ACCORDING TO PHYSICISTS [NUCLEAR PHYSICS PROFESSORS AMONG THEM] THE WEIRD EFFECT [THEY CAN'T EXPLAIN..I'LL GO BACK TO THIS IN A MOMENT!] HAS BEEN BAPTIZED UNDER THE NAME OF "ASYMPTOTIC FREEDOM." [ISN'T IT AMAZING HOW IGNORANT HAVE WE BECOME LATELY?]

IT MEANS THAT QUARKS "CAN MOVE" OR VIBRATE VERY CLOSE ONE ANOTHER BUT THEY CAN "FLY AWAY" FROM THE CORE OF THE ATOM SINCE THAT FORCE TENDS TO INCREASE IN STRENGTH AS THEY INCREASE THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THEM!!!!

HOW BLIND HUMANS COULD BE? ... YOU TELL ME MAN, CAUSE I'M TIRED OF READING THEIR THEORIES AND HYPOTHESIS WITHOUT ANY COMMON SENSE AT ALL!
OF COURSE THEY ARGUMENT THAT THEIR "ASYMPTOTIC FREEDOM" [THING] IS EQUAL TO THE ELECTRO-MAGNETIC FORCE BUT "BACKWARDS." IN OTHER WORDS, YOU PLACE TWO MAGNETS CLOSE TOGETHER AND YOU'LL FEEL HOW THEY PUSH TOGETHER CLOSER AS YOU DECREASE THEIR SPATIAL DISTANCE BETWEEN THEM.

FOR THOSE "SMART THEORETICIANS" THE ATOM BEHAVES INVERSELY JUST FOR THE FUN OF IT!!! NO JUSTIFICATIONS! NO LOGICAL REASONS! NOTHING!

[I'M NOT FURIOUS OR ANGRY... I'M HAVING FUN, THAT'S ALL!]

IMAGINE TWO REALLY [AND I MEAN REALLY] ENERGETIC AND POWERFUL SPHERICAL WAVES COMING FROM LITTLE SPEKS OF ENERGY. COULD YOU IMAGINE [FOR A MOMENT AT LEAST...] THE "PUSH" THE "ATTRACTION" THOSE STANDING WAVES CREATED AS THE RESULT WOULD LOOK LIKE?

COULD YOU, MY DEAR FRIENDS?

THAT'S WHY "QUARKS" [ENERGY LEVELS AND NOT "PARTICLES" EH?] CAN NOT BE SEPARATED BY ANY MEANS POSSIBLE! BUT ALSO, THAT'S THE SAME REASON THEY MUST STAY CLOSER TOGETHER IN A PATTERN THAT EVENTUALLY FORMS MATTER AND THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE.

THE MOST YOU TRY TO SEPARATE THAT "KINF OD ENERGY" I'M TALKING ABOUT HERE, THE MORE DIFFICULT IT WILL PRESENT FOR US. HOWEVER THE CONTRARY IS ALSO A FACT.
WHAT CASIMIR DIDN'T REALIZED WAS THAT IF YOU SEPARATE BOTH PLAQUES FROM EACH OTHER ENOUGHT, THE FORCE WILL DECLINE PROPORTIONAL TO THE SQUARE OF THE DISTANCE. AT SOME POINT THAT FORCE WILL CEASE TO EXIST AND THE TWO SOURCES OR COMPONENT OF THE STANDING WAVE PATTERN [INTERFERENCE PATTERN] WILL GO ON THEIR WAY.

TELL ME HONESTLY... DID I CONVINCED YOU WITH MY ARGUMENTS THIS TIME?

DO I MAKE SENSE IN WHAT I JUST HAVE SAID?

WOULD ANY OF YOU WITH ACCESS TO A [CARRIER] PHYSICISTS WOULD TELL HIM OR HER EXACTLY WHAT I'VE JUST SAID AND PROPOSSED HIM TO GIVE YOU A DIFFERENT VERSION OF THE "ASYMPTOTIC FREEDOM" MORE... "CONVINCING" THAN MINE?

I HOPE THAT YOU LEARNED SOMETHING TODAY THAT YOU WON'T FIND IN ANY BOOK ON QUANTUM MECHANICS...

HUMANBYDEFAULT

[humanbydefault]

Generally those who feel angry at me are those who try to explain things we can't understand by using empty arguments and wrong conclusions... I use LOGIC and COMMON SENSE and that is pretty dangerous for those who want to keep the "status quo" the way it is right now.

Allow me to quote your las words:

"Your "standing wave " sounds pretty good to me as a state. My interest lies in what makes up , what makes that state. And so on." End of quote.

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DO YOU AGREE WITH ME THAT ENERGY IS PRESERVED AND CAN NOT BE DESTROYED?

THAT'S IS ONE OF THE TENNET OF OUR SCIENTIFIC EXPERIENCES AND ONE OF THE FACT WITH MORE EVIDENCE IN ITS FAVOR... ISN'T IT? OF COURSE IT IS!

SO... HOW COULD YOU EXPLAIN TO ME WHERE ALL THAT ENERGY EXPANDING DURING THE ASSUMED "BIG-BANG" WILL HIDE?

DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE THAT SUCH POWERFUL ENERGY SIMPLY VANISHED OR GOT "CONVENIENTLY DISPERSED" THROUGHOUT THE UNIVERSE?

DO YOU EVER HEARD OR READ A BOOK OR AN ARTICLE LINKING "THE CASIMIR EFFECT" WITH "ASYMPTOTIC FREEDOM" IN THEIR BASIC FUNDAMENTAL PRINCIPLES?

THANK YOU!

ATTRACTION BETWEEN ATOMS, MOLECULES AND LONG CHAIN OF THEM LIKE IN PROTEINS AND FATS ARE THE SOLE RESULT OF THE SAME PHENOMENON I'VE DESCRIBED TO YOU ABOVE: MULTIPLE SPEKS OF RADIATION ENERGY INTERACTING IN A PATTERN OF INTERFERENCE [STANDING WAVES] EXERTING AN ATTRACTION BETWEEN EACH OTHER AND MAKING FOR SUBSEQUENT SCALES [LOCAL EATHERS].

PHYSICISTS TALK ABOUT ELECTRIC CHARGES AND THEIR INTERACTIONS TO KEEP ATOMS AND MOLECULES IN ONE PIECE... THAT'S WRONG AND DANGEROUS TO THOSE WHO SEEK THE TRUTH AND SPENT YEARS STUDYING THAT NON-SENSE.

THERE IS NO ELECTRIC CHARGE INSIDE THE ATOM... I'VE SAID THAT MANY TIMES HERE. IT'S ABOUT THE ATTRACTION ORIGINATED AS A CONSEQUENCE OF ENERGY-UNITS TRYING TO "SURVIVE" AND AVOID DISSIPATION. THOSE SPEKS OF ENERGY HAVE NO OTHER CHOICE! THEY GET INTO A PROXIMITY AND THE ATTRACTIVE FORCE BEGINS TO ACT BETWEEN THEM... THE FORCE SHOWS ITSELF JUST LIKE SEEN IN THE "CASIMIR EFFECT." STRONG ENOUGH TO KEEP THEM CLOSE TOGETHER VIBRATING BUT WITHOUT ALLOWING THEM TO FUSE EACH OTHER INTO ONR "BIG" "FAT" SPEK OF ENERGY. ONCE THE STANDING WAVE DISAPPEAR AS THE RESULT OF THE FUSION THE TWO SPEKS WILL RETURN TO THEIR "CRITICAL DISTANCE" SINCE NO FORCE WILL BE ACTING UPON THEM. WHY THE SIZE OF THOSE SPEKS IS ALWAYS THE SAME? THE ANSWER LIES IN THE ENTROPY OF OUR UNIVERSE, THE STATUS OF THE EATHER AND MANY MORE REASONS... THE POINT IS THAT WE CALLED THEM "LEPTONS." AND THEY ARE THE SMALLEST ENTITIES REGISTERED IN OUR "PARTICLE CATALOGUE" SO FAR.

MATTER, MY FRIENDS, IS A FLUCTUATING STATUS OF THE SAME PATTERN OF INTERFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE SPEKS OF ENERGY!!!!

AT THE POINT WHERE THOSE SPHERICAL WAVES MEET EACH OTHER AND CANCEL EACH OTHER OUT, A SORT OF VOID [INNERT IN NATURE] WILL APPEAR IN THE FABRIC OF SPACE AND THAT'S WHAT MATTER IS!

THAT'S WHY ATOMS ARE NEUTRAL IN THEIR NATURE! THAT'S WHY ALL WE CAN MEASURE IS A SPINNING LEVEL OF ENERGY IN-LIU OF SO-CALLED "SUB-ATOMIC PARTICLES" OR QUASI-PARTICLES, OR EVEN "WAVY-PARTICLES."

THE PHYSICAL REPRESENTATION OF MASS OR MATTER IN THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE IS NOTHING MORE THAN THE RESULTS OF THAT SPOTS OF "VOIDS" AS THE RESULT OF CANCELLING ENERGY-WAVES OF THAT MAGNITUDE!!!

DO NOT GET CONFUSED WITH THE WORD "VOID." MATTER IS NOT THE ABSENSE OF ENERGY! MATTER IS THE CONJUGATION OF ENERGIES SPINNING IN OPPOSITE DIRECTION AS THEY CANCEL EACH OTHER OUT INSIDE THE PATTERN OF STANDING WAVES.

I WROTE AN ARTILCE ABOUT THE CONCEPT OF "ZERO" IN THE QUANTUM ERA... A LONG TIME AGO RIGHT IN THIS FORUM.

ZERO IS NOT THE ABSENCE OF THINGS... THE TRUE "NOTHING." THAT IS A WRONG ABSTRACTION AFTER ALL. ZERO IS THE PERFECT CONJUGATION OF OPPOSITE MAGNITUDE OF ENERGY IN OPPOSITE SPIN FASHION. THE TRUE STABLE MATTER IS THE MOST STABLE STATUS OF THAT ENERGY INTERACTION AT ALL LEVELS INSIDE ATOMS.

IT'S RIDICULE THE ARGUMENT OF THE EXISTENCE OF THE "HIGG BOSON." IT IS AN EMBARRASING THEORY CONCEIVED BY A BRILLIANT THERORIST THAT USED TO SAY: "SHUT UP AND CALCULATE!" EINSTEIN [ON THE OTHER HAND] PLACED A LITTLE MORE... ATTENTION AND CONSIDERATION TO THE HUMAN IMAGINATION AND ITS POWERS WITH RELATION TO SCIENCE.

THANK YOU

HUMANBYDEFAULT

[humanbydefault]

It Couldn't Be Simpler, Now That You Can See The Beginning And Nature Of The Interactions At The Atomic Level:

This Is When The Concept Of True Relativity Comes In!

If You Begun To Imagine The First Interaction Between The First Two Speks Of Radiation Energy In Space, You'll See The First Orbit Forming In Your Mind. Those Two Speks Joining So Closed That No One Could Tell They Were Separate Entities...!
All You Would See In Your Mind Will Be A Center [core] Vibrating And A Spinning Orbit Around It. Now Imagine That A Similar "unit" As The One Just Formed Will Approach The First In Distance. It Will Naturally Occur The Same Thing, Meanning An Interaction Between Similar But Opposite Spinning Patterns Creating As The Result A Third Pattern!

Wait Just Here!

If You Learn About The Intensity Of The Standing Wave Pattern You'll See That It Will Increase In Size When The Two Waves Add Each Other And Cancel In The Area They Always Meet In Opposite Phase. If A New [thrid] Pattern Was Created Is Also Logical To See That It Will Take More Space As It Start Spinning Around The "new Center." In This Case The New Center Is The Result Of The Interaction No Of Two Speks Of Energy But Two Similar Standing Waves "running" Together. As The Phenomenon Expand With The Inclussion Of More And More Levels, The Structure Of The Atoms Begin To Appear On Front Of Our Eyes!

As Energy Takes More And More Space During The Next Steps In The "progressively Building Interference" Energy Is Somehow "degraded" To Lower And Lower Levels And The Orbits Will Get Bigger And Bigger Too.

Standing Waves Are Elliptical In Mathematical [geometrical] Shape, That's Why Electrons And The Rest Of Other "particles" Also Spin In That Fashion.
The Amazing Thing In All This Is That As The Pattern Get Built With The Inclussion Of More And More Pattern Attracted By The Force The "local Eather" Or "reality" Is Also Borne With It!!!

3 Dimensional Space Assume The Topography Derived From Those Interactions And Each Are Different From Each Other. As We Approach The Core Of The Primary Interactions, Energy Will Increase And Matter [the Spots I've Mentioned Above] Will Appear More And More "compact" And Impossible To Disassociate Or Separate From Each Other!

Once Atoms Are Formed Then Molecules Will Start Forming Too. There Is An Attraction Between Atoms And That Attraction Also Comes From The "bond" Created Between "participating" Atom's Outermost Orbits. The Chain Reaction Between Chemical Elements Is Just The Same Process Occuring Inside The Core Of The Atom Along Its Entire Structure Just Far From The Center Of The "action."

As You See.... The High And Powerful Energy Is Hidden In A Clever Way! They Form Matter, Elements And Materials Across The Universe And Doing That They "escape" Dissipation.


Waiting For Your Comments On This.

Humanbydefault

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Hi HBD, what you describe is the final stages, of what I see as the initial weather systems, of infinite thermal matter motions, forming the first finite singularity.

Keep up the great theorizing, we'll get there...

Regards,
Lloyd

Originally Posted by humanbydefault It Couldn't Be Simpler, Now That You Can See The Beginning And Nature Of The Interactions At The Atomic Level: This Is When The Concept Of True Relativity Comes In! If You Begun To Imagine The First Interaction Between The First Two Speks Of Radiation Energy In Space, You'll See The First Orbit Forming In Your Mind. Those Two Speks Joining So Closed That No One Could Tell They Were Separate Entities...! All You Would See In Your Mind Will Be A Center [core] Vibrating And A Spinning Orbit Around It. Now Imagine That A Similar "unit" As The One Just Formed Will Approach The First In Distance. It Will Naturally Occur The Same Thing, Meanning An Interaction Between Similar But Opposite Spinning Patterns Creating As The Result A Third Pattern! Wait Just Here! If You Learn About The Intensity Of The Standing Wave Pattern You'll See That It Will Increase In Size When The Two Waves Add Each Other And Cancel In The Area They Always Meet In Opposite Phase. If A New [thrid] Pattern Was Created Is Also Logical To See That It Will Take More Space As It Start Spinning Around The "new Center." In This Case The New Center Is The Result Of The Interaction No Of Two Speks Of Energy But Two Similar Standing Waves "running" Together. As The Phenomenon Expand With The Inclussion Of More And More Levels, The Structure Of The Atoms Begin To Appear On Front Of Our Eyes! As Energy Takes More And More Space During The Next Steps In The "progressively Building Interference" Energy Is Somehow "degraded" To Lower And Lower Levels And The Orbits Will Get Bigger And Bigger Too. Standing Waves Are Elliptical In Mathematical [geometrical] Shape, That's Why Electrons And The Rest Of Other "particles" Also Spin In That Fashion. The Amazing Thing In All This Is That As The Pattern Get Built With The Inclussion Of More And More Pattern Attracted By The Force The "local Eather" Or "reality" Is Also Borne With It!!! 3 Dimensional Space Assume The Topography Derived From Those Interactions And Each Are Different From Each Other. As We Approach The Core Of The Primary Interactions, Energy Will Increase And Matter [the Spots I've Mentioned Above] Will Appear More And More "compact" And Impossible To Disassociate Or Separate From Each Other! Once Atoms Are Formed Then Molecules Will Start Forming Too. There Is An Attraction Between Atoms And That Attraction Also Comes From The "bond" Created Between "participating" Atom's Outermost Orbits. The Chain Reaction Between Chemical Elements Is Just The Same Process Occuring Inside The Core Of The Atom Along Its Entire Structure Just Far From The Center Of The "action." As You See.... The High And Powerful Energy Is Hidden In A Clever Way! They Form Matter, Elements And Materials Across The Universe And Doing That They "escape" Dissipation. Waiting For Your Comments On This. Humanbydefault

[iseason]

Human by default.

Something that may interest you in these wanderings of the mind , is that i've theorised that in order for the experiments to "prove " that the aether does not exist, they have simply proven that it does. In order for light to have a constant speed , it must be stationary. The same is true for the aether. Of course the light wave is a different matter. But this requires a smaller realm that no one believes in .
The problem with trying to measure it is that it is simply unpeturbable. The variation of states between us and the aether is as large as the difference between us and a photon. So no matter how great the motion of a planet or how energetic a mass, until it reaches light speed , or approaches this sopeed , the aether is unchallenged. Newtons law of "each force requires an equal or opposite force is in effect.
The Mass of the aether is not in any relation to the mass within the object and so cannot be affected by it . In order for the aether to have a measurable effect on earth, we would need to gather enough of it together before it loses enough energy for us to measure.
This is because energy is not in motion , but the slowing and conservation of motion. It is also in the 'pushing' of an object and the stopping , but not in the motion as it exists without interaction with something that would interfere with it's passage.

This is also why time travel cannot be so . This would be against the laws of conservatism. the past has no energy that it didn't use. the present recycles anything it has and the future is the present after recyling. .

Cheers
Iseason

[humanbydefault]

Allow me to quote your past words:

"The Mass of the aether is not in any relation to the mass within the object and so cannot be affected by it..."

I've been trying to present my views about what I consider the eather to be in scientific terms:
>>> An eather withing the eather of the following scale and so on... what I called "the Russian Dolls Model."

>>> However, at no time in the past have I ever said that the fact that were SCALES or what I meant by that as "local eather" the law of conservation of energy could be violated... never!

That's the most important point in my considerations about the eather.

The eather does have to account for the rest of the "local eathers" as well! You change the mass and therefore the energy of an element [be that an atom or else] and you're changing the mutual-conexion existing between that element and the rest of the scales involved... like its effect inside gravity.

A change in the nature of an atom makes a change in its nature [from one element to a lighter one in the table] and therefore it conducts to a change in the way "IT" feels GRAVITY.

If you try to disconnect the eather from the rest of the "russian Dolls" and out of the complex context, you'll be violating the most sacred law this universe shows since the very beginnings.

HBD

[humanbydefault]

The point is simple: Energy does spin as the consequence of mutual interaction [interference].

Matter is the direct result of that interference when waves of that huge energy-magntiude cancel each other out in 3d space!

Then>>> The greater the energy involved [in the interaction] the greater the mass of the resulting element, atom or substance.

IF magnetism is in fact the result of the holistic and dimensionally oriented [vectorial speaking mathematically] building of many spins inside certain elements [like in ferromagnetic elements as iron], it is then logical to believe that (closer to the core of the atom) that spin would have the ability to create huge attracting forces even greater in magnitude and scales than a simple electro-magnetic force [as we know it today].

I SEE THAT "ATTRACTION" ORIGINATED FROM THE "PRIMARY SPINS" [IN DIRECT APPROACH BETWEEN TWO STANDING WAVES BELONGING TO TWO OR MORE ATOMS] AS THE CAUSE AND ONLY CAUSE OF BONDING AMONG THEM. CONSIDERING HYDROGEN AS THE BUILDING BLOCK OF ALL KNOW ELEMENTS, IT'S LOGICAL [ALSO] TO ASSUME THAT A SIMILAR PROCESS OF INTEGRATION MUST HAVE OCCURRED IN THE BEGINNINGS OF THE UNIVERSE. HYDROGEN IS THE LAST STEP OF THE PROCESS AND THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE OR BUILDING BLOCK OF THE REST OF THE COMPONENTS. BUT YOU CAN'T TAKE ATOMS OF HYDROGEN AND TRY TO FUSE THEM BACK TOGETHER AGAIN!

IT WOULD REQUIRE AN ENERGY THAT ONLY CERTAIN ZONES OF THIS UNIVERSE HAVE SHOWN TO US FROM THE DISTANCE.
WHAT BRINGS THAT STABILITY TO OUR SOLAR SYSTEM IS THE STABLE COMPENSATION BETWEEN THE COMPLEX AND INTER-CONNECTED STRUCTURE OF "RUSSIAN DOLLS" ["LOCAL EATHERS"] FROM THE VERY CORE OF EACH ATOM INHERENT TO THE SYSTEM ITSELF AND THE LAST PLANET, ASTEROID OR MOON IN IT.

THE PROCESS OF COMPENSATION IS THE REASON FOR THE ACTIVITY OF COMETS AND SPACE DEBRIES COMING INTO THE SYSTEM. THE LOST OF SOLAR MASS IN THE FORM OF DUST IS COMPENSATED BY THE INCLUSSION OF "FOREING" DEBRIES OR METEORITES TRAVELING FROM "ABROAD."

THE LAW OF CONSERVATION OF ENERGY DOES NOT CHANGE JUST BECAUSE THERE ARE SCALES AND DIFFERENT EATHERS INVOLVED!

ONLY A HOLISTIC APPROACH TO THE SYSTEM WILL GIVE US A MORE COMPREHENSIVE VIEW ABOUT MANY INTERESTING PUZZLES OF OUR SOLAR SYSTEM AND BEYOND.

HUMANBYDEFAULT