[Graybeard]

Originally Posted by RascalPuff Dear Greg: the system is not merely in a constant state of expansion, it is in a constant state of accelerating expansion. Consequently all of the experiential effects of gravity (the 4-D space-time continuum) as we see and feel (and hear) them (as in the settling down of a spinning coin or round platter on a hard surface) makes the issued expansion within the (spatially finite, chronologically infinite) system, altogether detectable...

If the effects of acceleration (and I presume you accept Einsteins equivalence principle of gravity = acceleration) can be found in the behaviour of matter, such as the settling down of a platter, the fact that things don't fall up but are g-forced down. Then it follows that matter resists this expansion .. else why the noticeable effects ?

Resistance to expansion is the noticeable effect ?

In which case why is my earlier statement that gravity (or some force ?) is driving the expansion of space, but matter is clumping and clustering within space, being subject to the electro-nuclear forces which overcome gravity, why is this not a valid view also.

Putting aside your own view for the moment, can you negate my view ?

cool bananas ... greg

[RascalPuff]

Originally Posted by Graybeard If the effects of acceleration (and I presume you accept Einsteins equivalence principle of gravity = acceleration) can be found in the behaviour of matter, such as the settling down of a platter, the fact that things don't fall up but are g-forced down. Then it follows that matter resists this expansion .. else why the noticeable effects ? Resistance to expansion is the noticeable effect ? In which case why is my earlier statement that gravity (or some force ?) is driving the expansion of space, but matter is clumping and clustering within space, being subject to the electro-nuclear forces which overcome gravity, why is this not a valid view also. Putting aside your own view for the moment, can you negate my view ? cool bananas ... greg

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By George, Greg, I thiink you're on to something. Doesn't appear that your view need be put aside. Can't say that either view excludes the other. On this road less traveled it seems our courses are about parallel and not mutually exclusive. It still appears that the 'electro-nuclear forces which overcome gravity', are gravity, in comparative microcosmic moments of accelerating expansion (Where the 'present' gravitational forces are much more dense and intense).
Can't say as I disagree with you, Greg. Might this be a matter of interpretive semantics?

Hooroo Graybeard
(We like yer URL site - cool bananas )
- RP

[Graybeard]

Rascal ... I think your taking the mickey ...

However ... is this close to your view. The parabola is a 'flat plane ' or 'straight line' thru space and in an eternal expansion from time ??




cool bananas ... greg.

(Rascal ... if you like my URl please leave me a pithy comment ... I'm trying to beat Roberts number of comments )

[RascalPuff]

Originally Posted by Graybeard Rascal ... I think your taking the mickey ... However ... is this close to your view. The parabola is a 'flat plane ' or 'straight line' thru space and in an eternal expansion from time ?? cool bananas ... greg. (Rascal ... if you like my URl please leave me a pithy comment ... I'm trying to beat Roberts number of comments )

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Thine ability to transmit such an illustration is much coveted in these coordinates (is that pithy enough for you? Like a dunce hat or an uninitiated ice cream cone?)

Yes, Greg. I think you've found another way to present a geodesic straight line manifest in the 'curvature of space-time' (a much misunderstood and otherwise mystified term).

And because of this particular presentation of a 'geodesic', gotta thank ya sir.

- RP

[Graybeard]

Rascal ..... your a Rascal


cool bananas ... greg

[north]

Originally Posted by Lloyd Gillespie Hey guys, just let me butt in for a moment. Obviously matter is all that's expanding___ o b v i o u s l y m a t t e r is expanding/contracting... since there's really no such thing as energy___All energy is matter. Energy is just our subjective description of matter expansions and contractions. When everyone can understand this physical phenomenon, as it truly exists, then maybe science/physics can start advancing, again... Linguistics___ain't it a bitch...? Lloyd

couldn't though ,energy , be thought of in terms of heat or temperature.

just a thought!

[Graybeard]

North ... I think you have it in reverse.

[north]

Originally Posted by Graybeard North ... I think you have it in reverse.

how so ? what have I got reversed?

( it would appreciated if this window of " not enough charactures " stop poping up it is anyoying)

[Graybeard]

North ... when you post a reply, apart from included 'quotes' you must have at least 10 characters of you own, otherwise the system concludes that you have not entered a reply.

Heat, and Temperature, are labels we have for the collective result of atomic collisions ... To my way of thinking they are just descriptors.

When you suffer sunburn, the actual physical effect you feel is the result of solar particles colliding with 'your' particles and breaking down the electomagnetic forces binding 'you' together.

This random billiard ball effect is driven by the contained energy of the particles involved. We interpret this as 'Ouch, I'm sunburnt'.

cool bananas ... greg

[north]

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Originally Posted by Graybeard North ... when you post a reply, apart from included 'quotes' you must have at least 10 characters of you own, otherwise the system concludes that you have not entered a reply.

fair enough , but it is anoying none-the-less sometimes a simple response is good enough. anyway.

Heat, and Temperature, are labels we have for the collective result of atomic collisions ... To my way of thinking they are just descriptors.

the resultant of , inotherwords.

When you suffer sunburn, the actual physical effect you feel is the result of solar particles colliding with 'your' particles and breaking down the electomagnetic forces binding 'you' together. This random billiard ball effect is driven by the contained energy of the particles involved. We interpret this as 'Ouch, I'm sunburnt'. cool bananas ... greg

but what causes the solar particles to move in the first place? heat