[MJA]

A Time Machine
Imagine yourself in another dimension, a parallel universe somewhere in time. Your watching a football game, sitting on your old couch, eating a hot dog and wondering if they'll ever show the cheer leaders again.

Suddenly, without notice, a loud whistle brings your mind back to the game. There's something happening, wait a minute, the refs have stopped the clock. WOW! They stopped the clock? The men in black and white move to some kind of machine, what could it be? Then BAM! you have traveled back in time. The screen infront of you is showing the history of past events, the game from multiple perceptions. Could it be? How is it possible that we have a time machine but no one knows it? You see the players playing football in the past as real as the present. Well certainly this time machine can not alter the past, you must be imagining things, as you are.

You think time machines don't exist but if they did there is a test. If it were truly a time machine it could alter the past, and so far that has not happened. Just then, the screen you are watching goes back to the referees and the present, Whew! thats cool. The time trip is over. Had enough anyway. You take another bite of the dog and at the same time the official on the screen announces "after further review we are changing the call." Well you nearly spit the dog out of my mouth. Did he say they are changing the past. Before you could grasp the full potential of what has happened the refs start time again by simply swinging their arms. With a huge sigh of relief you are back to the couch and your dog.

Stunned, but coherent you look down at you watch and wonder if you could stop time and change the past too!

MJA

[mkirkpatrick]

Thanks MJA,the concept of time travel has always fascinated me,the same however has not been the case for football/or any other ball game.

I consider the mind/consciousness as that of a time travel/enabler,and that any period
can be visited with focussed consciousness.



regards michael.

[Graybeard]

Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick I consider the mind/consciousness as that of a time travel/enabler, and that any period can be visited with focussed consciousness.

MJA / Michael If you consider that you can travel to the past by mind, consciousness or any other means then:

• Can you change it ?
• If so ... then the future and present can not be the only concurrent versions ... each of us would have different ones
• If not so ... then imagine you have lost something ... you could travel back .. observe yourself lose this object ... return, and go straight to the location of the lost object and retrieve it

Either way you have now altered the past on the way it affects the future. We have a possible future without the lost object and a possible future with a retrieved lost object ... courtesy of a re-run of the past.

The only conclusion we can reach is that time-travel appears impossible ..??

Proof: It appears (Wiki) that 2 days ago they located the tomb of Herod of Judea .... you know .. the one whose hobby was infanticide ... How is it Michael that if you and others can return to the past using consciousness that this was not found earlier .. Remember.. even if you can't change the past, the retrieved knowledge of events IS available. Therfore we would be aware of where to locate all fossils, objects, treasures etc ....

This does not happen. The word 'Lost' would have no meaning in our language ?

You will just have to do what I do whenever I lose something. I say a prayer to St Anthony, the patron saint of LOST causes. !!




Greg

[austintorn@aol.com]

I went into the past and screwed around with Adolf's heavy water experiments so he couldn't develop the atomic bomb. It's quite a different world now as you can see.

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by Graybeard MJA / Michael If you consider that you can travel to the past by mind, consciousness or any other means then: Can you change it ? If so ... then the future and present can not be the only concurrent versions ... each of us would have different ones If not so ... then imagine you have lost something ... you could travel back .. observe yourself lose this object ... return, and go straight to the location of the lost object and retrieve it Either way you have now altered the past on the way it affects the future. We have a possible future without the lost object and a possible future with a retrieved lost object ... courtesy of a re-run of the past. The only conclusion we can reach is that time-travel appears impossible ..?? Proof: It appears (Wiki) that 2 days ago they located the tomb of Herod of Judea .... you know .. the one whose hobby was infanticide ... How is it Michael that if you and others can return to the past using consciousness that this was not found earlier .. Remember.. even if you can't change the past, the retrieved knowledge of events IS available. Therfore we would be aware of where to locate all fossils, objects, treasures etc .... This does not happen. The word 'Lost' would have no meaning in our language ? You will just have to do what I do whenever I lose something. I say a prayer to St Anthony, the patron saint of LOST causes. !! Greg

Greg me old materoo,
Traveling to either the past or future is not done with the physical body,rather with the astral/etheric body,and you cannot,(as far as I am aware)interfere with physical happenings,rather you are just an observer,thats all! So whatever does orwill happen
there is nothing you can do at that time to prevent it,however for future time coming
events,there seems to be a way,regards coming accidents,plane crashes,rail crashes,
boats sinking,that sort of thing,where the individual senses a forboding,and cancels the
trip,or is warned by family or friends not to go,because of "bad feelings".

The time machine is actually our astral body,and our consciousness is the driver.


regards michael.

[Graybeard]

Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick Greg me old materoo, Traveling to either the past or future is not done with the physical body, rather with the astral/etheric body,and you cannot, (as far as I am aware) interfere with physical happenings, rather you are just an observer, thats all! So whatever does orwill happen there is nothing you can do at that time to prevent it

Michael ... my point is that just by being an Observer you are interfering .. The knowledge that you obtain by observation will influence all your future decisions !

Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick However for future time coming events,there seems to be a way, regards coming accidents, plane crashes, rail crashes, boats sinking, that sort of thing, where the individual senses a forboding, and cancels the trip, or is warned by family or friends not to go,because of "bad feelings".

When you talk about a 'bad feeling' and are apprehensive about a planned train or plane trip ... why is it only a 'forboding' rather than a 'certainty' ?

• There was a rich merchant of Baghdad whose servant came running up to him with a terrible 'forboding' on his countenance. The master inquired of the servant what was wrong. The servant begged of his master that he be allowed to travel to Samarkand, three days journey away, and to be allowed to depart immediately.
  
  This was an unusual request and further questioning revealed that the servant had been to the marketplace that morning, where he had seen Death at one of the stalls. Death had made a strange gesture when he noticed the servant. This had terrified the servant and rather than be the one that Death had come to collect, he begged his master to allow him to travel to Samarkand where he would feel safe.
  
  The Master agreed and let the servant depart, but the Master himself had many times faced Death in his life and had no fear of him. So intrigued, he went down to the market place, where, sure enough he encountered Death himself.
  
  The Master inquired of Death why he had seen fit to gesture at his servant. Death replied that it was no cryptic gesture, rather a genuine gesture of surprise. He was surprised to see the servant in Baghdad when he knew that he was due to collect him in the distant city of Samarkand in three days time.

Michael .. we are the masters of our own fate .. for better or worse .. you cannot rule your travel arrangements thru feelings and forebodings ... to the contrary, you can only comply. If I was a spiritual person such as yourself I would probably say 'Man proposes, God disposes'


Greg

NB: So far you have not proved that you can make any previous 'observations' of the past regarding matters that you yourself have not experienced.

[mkirkpatrick]

Well Greg,good reply,however not good enough,being an observer is NOT interfering,
particularly when you are not seen,!(as in most people do not see ghosts/astral beings)
unless of course they are sensitive,prehaps like you my friend?

Forboding was just a word I chose,I will now change that to "certain"?

How would you possibly go about proving anything mate?The proof is within yourself,
when you individually realize this for your self,when you do that,then you know,that you know,and that is all the proof any seeker really needs.

The story I am familiar with,there is a similiar one regards a visting plague!


regards michael.

[Graybeard]

Well .... Hows this then

• You have heard that your old great granny is just about to kark it, and, as you have high expectations as a beneficiary in her will, you decide that a quick trip to her bedside is the order of the day, just to cement your affections for her and to ease her on her way. This is probably an unnecessary expense, but on the whole, you feel that its worth it. Your heart is light
• .
• Just before you slam the front door and race down the steps to the running taxi, you decide a quick astral projection into the past to the moment she signed her will could also be beneficial to your peace of mind.
• .
• Horror of horrors, your astral observation reveals that she has signed the will in favour of a particular detested nephew and there is nothing at all you can do about it because you cannot interfere in the past !.

What do you do now Michael, cancel the running taxi in order to save any further wasted expense ... or do you embark on a pointless journey with no expectation whatsoever and a heavy heart because, as you say, you cannot change the past ?

Whatever you do now has been influenced by your 'astral observation' .. your future actions have been irrevocably compromised.

Now Michael, you must admit, that even an 'observation' has 'interfered' in the normal flow of events.


Irrepressibly yours mate ... get out of this one you pommy b**A#$%

cheers greg

Sorry Robert ... I just can't seem to stop using the List command ... i'm addicted

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by Graybeard Well .... Hows this then You have heard that your old great granny is just about to kark it, and, as you have high expectations as a beneficiary in her will, you decide that a quick trip to her bedside is the order of the day, just to cement your affections for her and to ease her on her way. This is probably an unnecessary expense, but on the whole, you feel that its worth it. Your heart is light . Just before you slam the front door and race down the steps to the running taxi, you decide a quick astral projection into the past to the moment she signed her will could also be beneficial to your peace of mind. . Horror of horrors, your astral observation reveals that she has signed the will in favour of a particular detested nephew and there is nothing at all you can do about it because you cannot interfere in the past !. What do you do now Michael, cancel the running taxi in order to save any further wasted expense ... or do you embark on a pointless journey with no expectation whatsoever and a heavy heart because, as you say, you cannot change the past ? Whatever you do now has been influenced by your 'astral observation' .. your future actions have been irrevocably compromised. Now Michael, you must admit, that even an 'observation' has 'interfered' in the normal flow of events. Irrepressibly yours mate ... get out of this one you pommy b**A#$% cheers greg Sorry Robert ... I just can't seem to stop using the List command ... i'm addicted

Not so,I would go and say farewell to the dear old lady,as is my rightful duty to do,
then I would accept what she had done,because,and here comes that, that trusty aid
"however",I soon afterwards took a trip into the future only to find,that 3weeks later he dies of a heart attack,and has he has no other living relatives,all his estate comes to me?

Pick the bones from that you AB?
regards michael.

[Graybeard]

Not so ..... because as you say you 'took a peek' into the future. This would have been unnecessary if you hadn't meddled in the past.

There is no going back ... every action we perform, every decision we take .. leads inexorably forward

I'm feeling a bit poetic:

• The moving finger of fate, having writ, moves on
• Nor all your piety nor wit
• Can bring it back to cancel half a line
• Nor all your tears
• Wash out one word of it

You cannot observe without having an effect .... I think some famous person called 'hindenberg' or something said this .... whoever he was, he was a man of 'principle'

You have lived up there near the North Pole for so long ... no wonder you think your astral planing. Come in from the cold you silly Pom.


greg