Hawking Does Intellectual Back-Flip

[RascalPuff]

Sourced from "The Australian" July 2004

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AFTER nearly 30 years of arguing that a black hole gobbles everything within it - including traces of its own existence - physicist Stephen Hawking has done an intellectual backflip.

Next week at a conference in Dublin, the wheelchair-bound Oxford University academic will recant his controversial "black-hole paradox".

It's an idea he first proposed in 1976 and involves the complicated physics of black holes, or dense objects such as what remains when some stars run out of fuel and collapse under their own weight.

Leading cosmologist Paul Davies, of Macquarie University's Australian Centre for Astrobiology, heard rumours earlier this year about Dr Hawking's intellectual conversion. "Evidently, something has caused him to change his mind, but he's being very coy about what it is," Professor Davies said yesterday.

Even the organisers of the 17th International Conference on General Relativity know little of what the great thinker will say or why he's saying it. "He sent a note saying, 'I have solved the black hole information paradox and I want to talk about it'," said Curt Cutler, chairman of the conference scientific committee.

Dr Hawking's paradox begins with the notion that the gravitational pull of black holes is so great nothing escapes from them.

Nothing, that is, except "Hawking radiation", the energy emitted by the gravitational field around a black hole. The radiation "erases" information about matter inside the black hole, turning it into the cosmological equivalent of "white noise", Professor Davies said.

When the hole vanishes, he explained, so does the information, violating the laws of quantum physics which say that the information can never be destroyed.

[mkirkpatrick]

Prehaps the whole idea needs rethinking? Hawkings maybe realises he was wrong,and is
going to admit this!




regards michael.

[RascalPuff]

Prehaps the whole idea needs rethinking? Hawkings maybe realises he was wrong,and is
going to admit this!




regards michael.

_____________________________

Dear Michael:
I think he's already done that - fait accompli.

I think Super Strings is headed for the same singularity...

Regards
- RP

[vanilla]

Interesting !! I would, however, be more impressed if Hawking did an actual backflip instead of an intellectual one

No really though, that's pretty cool stuff. I think the main point Hawking overlooked is that energy cannot be destroyed

[Drifter]

Prehaps the whole idea needs rethinking? Hawkings maybe realises he was wrong,and is
going to admit this!




regards michael.

Hello to all,
Never having had the pleasure of reading Dr. Hawking, though having an interest in this subject, if I may interject as a sidebar the following reference. To wit:

The Universe as a "Torus":
A Black Whole(End) as intake and A White Whole(Beginning) as exhaust, (dependant on "perspective" of course, e.g. "I"n it, but, not "O"f it) a reciprocating machination of perpetual energy, AllOne (no pun intended). (-Drifter)

All "happening at Infinite speed", that is at, or near/beyond the Speed Of Light(where the finite becomes infinite). So the theory goes according to Itzhak Bentov, scientist, inventor-extrodinaire, Mystic.

For a more "outlined proposition/ dissertation, essay", see; 'Chasing The Wild Pendulum'- Chapter, in; "A Brief Tour Of Higher Consciousness"; (A Cosmic Book on the Mechanics of Creation)

Warm Regards
Drifter

[RascalPuff]

Hello to all,
Never having had the pleasure of reading Dr. Hawking, though having an interest in this subject, if I may interject as a sidebar the following reference. To wit:

The Universe as a "Torus":
A Black Whole(End) as intake and A White Whole(Beginning) as exhaust, (dependant on "perspective" of course, e.g. "I"n it, but, not "O"f it) a reciprocating machination of perpetual energy, AllOne (no pun intended). (-Drifter)

All "happening at Infinite speed", that is at, or near/beyond the Speed Of Light(where the finite becomes infinite). So the theory goes according to Itzhak Bentov, scientist, inventor-extrodinaire, Mystic.

For a more "outlined proposition/ dissertation, essay", see; 'Chasing The Wild Pendulum'- Chapter, in; "A Brief Tour Of Higher Consciousness"; (A Cosmic Book on the Mechanics of Creation)

Warm Regards
Drifter

_________________

Well spoken, Drifter:
Please check out the beginning of the 'Start' page at
http://forums.delphiforums.com/EinsteinGroupie and lemme know what you think.

Best regards,
- RP

[Drifter]

_________________

Well spoken, Drifter:
Please check out the beginning of the 'Start' page at
http://forums.delphiforums.com/EinsteinGroupie and lemme know what you think.

Best regards,
- RP

Too much to read this early in the A.M. but I do get the drift.
As the saying goes the microcosm is a reflection of the macrocosm.
And along with that I might add the following excerpt, with your permission.

"** Chapter 18
How Life Looks When I Am Inspired **

"Give me a man who sings at his work."
Thomas Carlyle

"They can because they think they can."
Virgil

" I'd like to acknowledge right from the outset that I don't live at
this level of being in-Spirit 100 percent of the time -- like most
everyone else, I occasionally have lapses and feel uninspired. Yet
these moments have become rarer and rarer; in fact, it's difficult
for me to recall a day in the past several years when I felt
completely uninspired.

What follows is a personal account of both how I feel inside and
what seems to take place in the world around me when I feel connected
to Spirit in the ways that I've written about.

**Jack**

The same day that I completed Chapter 17 and read
it over the telephone to my editor, Joanna, on Bainbridge Island,
Washington, I had the most profoundly mystical experience of being
in-Spirit in all of my 65 years. The photograph on the cover of the
book is a re-creation of what happened.

When I finished up with Joanna, I went for my daily hour-long walk
along the beach... but for some reason I elected to take a slightly
different route along a grassy area adjacent to the beach. I was
recalling my friend Jack Boland, a Unity minister in Detroit, who
crossed over about a decade ago. Jack loved monarch butterflies,
often telling stories of how he marveled at these paper-thin
creatures who migrated thousands of miles in high winds and returned
to the same branch on the same tree where they first emerged from
their cocoons. Before Jack passed away, I presented him with a
beautiful paperweight containing a dead monarch that I'd found in
perfect condition. When he died, his wife returned it to me, telling
me how much Jack loved that gift and how much he admired these
amazing creatures who had such mysterious intelligence built into
their brains, which are the size of a pinhead.

Jack always told me to "be in a state of gratitude," and he ended
every sermon with this message to God: "Thank You, thank You, thank
You." On three occasions since his death, a monarch butterfly has
landed on my body. Since these creatures studiously avoid human
contact, each time this has happened I've thought of Jack and
thought, Thank You, God- thank You, thank You.

Anyway, as I walked, feeling grateful for having completed the
second-to-last chapter of book, a monarch landed on the ground,
three feet in front of me. I said Jack's magic words to myself (Thank
You, God-thank You, thank You), and felt deep appreciation for my
life and the beauty of the day. The butterfly stayed right there
until I approached, then he flapped his wings several times and flew
away. Thinking of Jack and feeling a little bewildered and immensely
thankful, I watched this creature in flight, now 40 or 50 yards away.


As God is my witness, the butterfly made a U-turn and not only
headed in my direction, but landed right smack on my finger! Needless
to say, I was shocked -- but not totally surprised. I must confess
that it seems to me that the more I stay in-Spirit, the more I
experience synchronicities similar to this one. But what followed did
border on the incredulous, even for me.

This little creature became my constant companion for the next two
and a half hours -- he sat first on one hand and then moved to my
other hand, never even coming close to flying away. He seemed to be
trying to communicate with me by moving his wings back and forth, and
even opening and closing his tiny mouth as if attempting to speak...
and as crazy as it may sound, I felt a deep affinity to this precious
living being. I sat on the ground and simply stayed with my new
fragile friend for 30 or so minutes. Then I called Joanna from my
cell phone, and she was also stunned by the synchronicity, insisting
that I somehow get a picture of this event.

At this point I decided to return to my home, approximately a mile
from where I was sitting, with my new companion. I returned along the
beach walk, where the winds were brisk -- the butterfly's wings were
pushed by these high gusts, but he clung to my finger, and even moved
to another hand without making any effort to leave. As I walked, I
encountered a four-year-old girl with her mother. The girl was
sobbing over some perceived tragedy in her young life, and when I
showed her my "pet" butterfly, her expression went from sad to
blissful in one split second. She smiled from ear to ear and asked me
all about the winged creature on my forefinger.

When I got home, I was talking on my cell phone to my friend Reid
Tracy as I walked upstairs. He laughed with me as I related the
bizarre synchronicity at play in this very moment. I said, "Reid,
it's been 90 minutes, and this little guy has adopted me." Reid also
encouraged me to get a photograph of this, since it was obviously in
complete harmony with what I was writing.

I left my new friend -- whom I was now calling "Jack" -- sitting on
the handwritten Chapter 17 on my lanai, and went downstairs. I found
Cindy, a young woman who works nearby, and asked her to run to the
store and purchase a disposable camera. She did, and I went back to
the patio, put my hand next to Jack, and watched him jump right onto
my finger! (The photo on the cover of this book is a re-creation of
that magical moment.)

It appeared that my butterfly companion had decided that he was now
going to live with me forever. After another hour or so of meditating
and communing with this little creature of God -- and pondering this
event as the most unprecedented and out-of-the-ordinary spiritual
episode I'd ever encountered -- I gently placed Jack back on my
manuscript while I proceeded to take a long, hot shower. When I
returned to the patio, I placed my finger near my winged friend as
I'd done many times in the previous 150 minutes, but he now seemed
like a totally different little critter. He fluttered away, landed on
a table, flapped his wings twice, and flew off, straight up toward the
heavens. Moments with him were now history, but I still had the
photographs, which I treasure.

The next morning, I decided to watch one of my favorite films,
Brother Sun, Sister Moon, which I hadn't viewed for more than a
decade. And sure enough -- in the opening scenes of Franco
Zeffirelli's interpretation of the life of St. Francis, there he
was... with a butterfly alighting on his fingers.

** Inspirational Vibrations **



I don't believe the intruments to measure the phenomenal paradoxes of the Universe have been invented at this point in time, so all mankind can do is speculate on them.
There are some very intelligent minds at work in this endeavor, to allow mankind to truly know, what It's really all about Alfie. I will read the link you provided and thank you, it expresses something that touches me deeply at my core.
There is a force at work in nature the likes of which may forever remain unknown to us a s human beings, and which can only be known to us when know such things as the Divine interplay of a higher Consciousness, a utterly trustworthy parental spirit, if you will, of which are IT's offspring. Ciao brother, friend, Self and, Namaste`
The Sprit within me, Recognizes, Honors, and Greets, The Spirit within you.
Drifter

[Drifter]

I've had to break apart my response into two parts, the original post was too many charaters apparently.
So here is the addendum picking up after Inspirational Vibrations. Sorry for any perceived confusion. Last paragraph is a tag from the previous post. AllOne. -Drifter



>> ** Inspirational Vibrations, Addendum **
>>
>> When I live my life so as to be open to the language of Spirit, I
>> find almost overwhelming rapture overtaking me. For several days
>> after my experience with Jack, people kept telling me that I seemed
>> so peaceful and content, and one woman even suggested that I was
>> "walking grace." This episode with my butterfly friend and the
>> communiques from Spirit touched me at an unprecedented level. From
>> the perspective of being in-Spirit, I've seen Its hands embrace me
>> and heard It say: "You are not alone. You can count on me to guide
>> you -- and whatever you do, do not doubt My presence."
>>
>> This makes me feel safe, comforted, and that I'm not alone. I feel
>> good (God) because I'm living in almost perfect harmony with the
>> Source of my being, living on purpose and writing from my heart. The
>> reason I feel inspired isn't because the world looks perfect. Rather,
>> it's the other way around: The reason the world looks perfect to me is
>> because I'm in-Spirit -- person who chooses to live an inspired life.
>> I'm able to stay in a state of gratitude from the moment I awake
>> early in the morning right up until I close my eyes while falling
>> asleep; and throughout each day, I'm reminded that staying in-Spirit
>> is really about staying in vibrational harmony.
>>
>> I don't find it necessary to change anyone or anything that I
>> encounter or read about in my daily life. Each time that I'm tempted
>> to, I catch myself and return to a mind-set that calls to me to be
>> more like God, right here and right now. I stay inspired by making an
>> energetic shift within myself; when I do, the world looks completely
>> different, and I move inwardly toward peace and kindness. The
>> energetic shift is merely a way of processing people and events from
>> the insight of being unified with the All-Creating Source-that is, by
>> eschewing judgment and allowing the world to be as it is, rather than
>> as I think it should be.
>>
>> I stay inspired by encouraging others to live out their destiny and
>> allowing the world to unfold as it will, and I'm much more likely to
>> feel peaceful. In fact, when I'm living my life from this perspective
>> of inspiration, my vibrational energy is more attuned to that of the
>> creative energy of the Universe, and I find that my effect on others
>> is far more spiritually aligned. Furthermore, I know within my own
>> being that I'm doing something very powerful to make this world a
>> more spiritually oriented place for us all.
>>
>> You see, when I resonate to anger, shame, hatred, or revenge, I add
>> to these decidedly nonspiritual energies by joining in what I find to
>> be so objectionable. But when I remember to bring nonjudgment, love,
>> tolerance, and compassion to these low, ego-dominated energies, I see
>> how different the world looks, and even how different those around me
>> act in the presence of these God-realized energies. I feel optimistic
>> when I'm in-Spirit, with an inner knowing that nothing can interfere
>> with an idea whose time is coming or has already arrived.
>>
>> I trust that our Creator knows what It's doing, and that good
>> triumphs over what ego believes is bad or evil. I sense that we're
>> all moving toward a world that will no longer know the horrors of war
>> or practice our long-established habits of inhumanity toward our
>> brothers and sisters around the globe, who may have different
>> cultural views and their own unique physical distinctiveness. By
>> staying in-Spirit, I'm truly inspired to see the potential for
>> greatness that's in all of us, as one people, and I turn from anguish
>> to faith that at least I can live from a place of God-realization, and
>> practice being a force for good (God).
>>
>> Staying in vibrational alignment with Spirit allows me to be more
>> present in all of my life activities. I find myself less concerned
>> with goals, outcomes, winning, and accumulations, and far more
>> involved in the process of enjoying the activities of my life.
>> Arriving seems to replace striving, and being in a state of flow is
>> far more common that my old uninspired state of worry and anguish. I
>> remind myself that Spirit is only here and now -- not yesterday, not
>> tomorrow, only now. By keeping my vibration aligned spiritually, I
>> see the ecstasy in the present. Everything else that once was a
>> source of worry doesn't come up for me, since the outcomes are
>> already handled for me in my own mind. What will be, will be, I
>> remind myself. The world looks so much more peaceful when I approach
>> it this way, and my ego, which once needed to win at all costs, is
>> relegated to a distant seat in a stadium in another galaxy!"
>>
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I don't believe the intruments to measure the phenomenal paradoxes of the Universe have been invented at this point in time, so all mankind can do is speculate on them.
There are some very intelligent minds at work in this endeavor, to allow mankind to truly know, what It's really all about Alfie. I will read the link you provided and thank you, it expresses something that touches me deeply at my core.
There is a force at work in nature the likes of which may forever remain unknown to us a s human beings, and which can only be known to us when know such things as the Divine interplay of a higher Consciousness, a utterly trustworthy parental spirit, if you will, of which are IT's offspring. Ciao brother, friend, Self and, Namaste`
The Sprit within me, Recognizes, Honors, and Greets, The Spirit within you.
Drifter[/quote]

[Drifter]

I believe that when the twin pillars/diciplines of Science and Religion eventually merge, the world will finally become a better place for all humanity, a Eutopia of sorts, that all the Scientists, Sages, Mystics, and Messengers of God, whom, some with more clarity and purpose than others, have dreamt, invisioned, hoped and purposely strived for with the utmost of diligence, in their respective lifetimes.
Without self-centered, self-serving, and self-aggrandizing ignorance, arrogance and greed motivating them.
How often has the Spirit of God(non-gender-specific) as manifested in human form walked amoung us with their message of the Oneness, the Wholeness, of Mankind as their their banner, only to be branded as heretics, enemies of the state, and persecuted even unto death in the name ignorance, arrogance and greed? We are all citizens of the planet earth.
One God, One Religion and One Mankind. Brothers one in all, striving to leave "something", for the posterity of our youth/offspring, while destroying "It" in the process.
-Drifter



I don't believe the intruments to measure the phenomenal paradoxes of the Universe have been invented at this point in time, so all mankind can do is speculate on them.
There are some very intelligent minds at work in this endeavor, to allow mankind to truly know, what It's really all about Alfie. I will read the link you provided and thank you, it expresses something that touches me deeply at my core.
There is a force at work in nature the likes of which may forever remain unknown to us a s human beings, and which can only be known to us when know such things as the Divine interplay of a higher Consciousness, a utterly trustworthy parental spirit, if you will, of which are IT's offspring. Ciao brother, friend, Self and, Namaste`
The Sprit within me, Recognizes, Honors, and Greets, The Spirit within you.
Drifter[/quote][/quote]

[Drifter]

_________________

Well spoken, Drifter:
Please check out the beginning of the 'Start' page at
http://forums.delphiforums.com/EinsteinGroupie and lemme know what you think.

Best regards,
- RP

Hello RP,
You keep some interesting academic company. =-)
But more to the point.
Time and motion, are relative concepts, and the Absolute is not, It, is a no-thing, and ineffible, It, can only be pointed to, not experienced, yet it is the essence of all experiences. Such is the paradox we call life or that which Sages and Mystics say, is really a dream called, the waking state, go figure, eh.
What doesn't exist in deep sleep, doesn't exist.

Deeply tranced,
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/330044/champagne_da_la_all/

"Man is the sole being in the natural order who is not compelled to pursue
the same road invariably."
__Claude de St. Martin
__
__The Mundaka Upanishad provides the archetypal image of the spiritual
archer. His is the unremitting quest for divine wisdom, seeking complete
unison with Brahman, the ultimate Reality. In this quest there must be no
thoughtlessness. Lack of thought is a serious impediment to the cultivation
of skill in the art of creative action. At the same time, The Voice of the
Silence enjoins disciples to free themselves from all particular thoughts
and be attuned to All-Thought.

__Thou hast to reach that fixity of mind in which no breeze, however
strong, can waft an earthly thought within. Thus purified, the shrine must
of all action, sound, or earthly light be void; e'en as the butterfly,
o'ertaken by the frost, falls lifeless at the threshold - so must all
earthly thoughts fall dead before the fane.

__Wherein lies the difference between thoughtlessness and that state of
transcendence which is rooted in a serene identification with the Divine
Mind?

__There are myriad paradoxes in relation to the spiritual path, as everyone
knows who makes a strenuous attempt to incarnate in daily life the
immeasurable wisdom of Brahma Vach. These paradoxes are pertinent for anyone
who is in earnest, who is not merely ready to plunge into the stream, but
who has already entered the stream as a srotapatti and laved in its rushing
waters. There are those who delay this crucial step for lifetimes, even
after the privilege of contacting the presence of great Teachers from the
Lodge of Mahatmas. They are afraid to take the first step into the stream.
But those who have soaked in the struggle know that the recurring paradoxes
are far from being instantly resolved, especially by the ratiocinative mind
with its obsessive craving for certitude. Mystical paradoxes deepen as veil
upon veil lifts and one finds veil upon veil behind. This must be so, for
otherwise we would live in a static universe and Mahatmas would be but icons
to be worshipped, like the discarded archangels of the past, periodically
placated out of fear or the wish for favours. There is none of this in the
vast philosophical cosmogony of the Secret Doctrine. It postulates one
universal stream of consciousness which, at its source, is unconditioned and
beyond all forms, qualities, colours and representations, beyond every
finite locus in space-time. But equally, within this immense stream of
encompassing and transcending consciousness, everything counts. Every being
is significant and every single error has its consequence. It is difficult
to accommodate so awesome a conception within one's mind and to insert one's
own odyssey into the vaster odyssey of all. There is nothing in our
upbringing, nothing in the limiting language of common conversation and
trivial talk, that can sufficiently prepare one for the grandeur of the
enterprise, so that one may feel the authentic joy of comradeship with the
mightiest men of meditation. They are the immortal embodiments of universal
Mahat who can, with a casual, relaxed and joyful sense of proportionality,
hit the mark amidst the limitations of collective Karma. This means,
paradoxically, that they cannot hit the mark every single time either, and
this too is involved in hitting the mark.

__The root of these paradoxes in relation to thoughtfulness and
transcendence lies in the insuperable problem of formulating the aim. The
aim cannot be anything less than Brahman. That is the eternal hope. Every
single act can have that aim because each act focusses upon a specific
target in time and space which is Brahman. That is, at one level, the joy
and the absurdity of it. In every act of manifestation - bathing, walking,
mailing a message - the Logos is present. There is a sense in which the
aim - the transcendental Brahman - is present in each moment of time as well
as in every act at each point of space and in every thought. What, then,
obscures the aim of a manifold human being of becoming totally one and
remaining constantly attuned to Brahman? Why does a person need the sacred
OM as the bow and to be continually tuning all one's instruments? Can one
ever receive in a world of shadowy knowledge any real teaching concerning
the inward meaning of the Soundless Sound? Who will teach the true
intonation of the OM and everything to which it corresponds in thought,
motive, act and feeling? As the mystery deepens, one must come to recognize
that even in the largest perspectives of life, one can discern something
that is false and which obscures still greater realities.

__The correction that needs to be made in the lesser perspective is
archetypally related to the correction needed in the larger perspective.
Whenever one has a sense of self-encouraging exaggeration - not only
verbally or in terms of external expression, but in the feeling-content and
motivational coloration of particular thoughts - there is falsity and
distortion. Brahman could not be in everything if each single thing does not
appropriately mirror Brahman and, in an ever-changing universe, recede into
non-being. There is an intrinsic illusoriness in the shadowy self that
emerges like a smoky haze. In Platonic language, this temporary excess
necessarily implies temporal deficiency and therefore imbalance. This may
become obsessional - like infatuation - and all cognate thoughts are thereby
tainted. The condition is even worse for a person lacking in mental
steadiness. One discovers this speedily when one really wants to concentrate
on something and even more painfully when one sits down to meditation. The
moment one tries to meditate on that which is above and beyond and includes
all, one confronts limitations in one's conception of selfhood. There is no
way even to ponder the profoundest of vows, the holiest motive of the
Bodhisattvas, in relation to the ceaseless quest for the sake of every
sentient being. One will encounter a multitude of hindrances. Most thoughts
are premature, feeble and abortive. One is not truly awake, but is rather in
a dizzy phantasmagoria in which distorted shadows flit. Through an illusory
sense of self, one is attached to a misshapen bundle of memories and
identified with a form, an image and a name. Persisting thoughtlessness
means that one has fallen into a state of fragmented consciousness, and this
is not only owing to the imperfections shared with all other human beings,
but also through an irreverent attitude to the vestures brought over from
previous lives. Such are the scars of failures from former times of
opportunity to strengthen and perfect the spiritual will for the sake of
universal good. Myriad are the ways in which many souls have frequently
failed over an immense period of evolution.

Hermes, June 1978
Raghavan Iyer

http://youtube.com/watch?v=hwyuQbIb0Xs