It's About Time Again: The Stubborn Fantasy of "No Space, Time or Motion".

[lamedvavnik]

I don't deny the fact that mankind lived through the past, is Living here in present and will be alive in future. But I say that Time is just a tool devised for better understanding of the Human life. Its just a mathematical representation of various individual moments bundled together. So time exists only Now and its explanation is done using the various entities as past and future using the Mind. And this tool is used for betterment of life by humans.

We communicate using the tool called time with the help of Mind. Humans select which portion of the tool is required by them at any given instance and use it. Some recollect a particular event happened in a particular time in the past - say 'X' to act in a specific way Now. Similarly, some plan for a future event that probably might happen in particular time - say 'Y' and act accordingly Now. This X and Y are reference points. It is conceived only in the mind and you cannot have it in reality. In reality, you have to accept the fact that your mind is portraying the two reference points while you are sitting in your house, in the sofa - Now.

Its not ostrich syndrome, but a very basic understanding of Movement of Life.

[quanta07]

I don't deny the fact that mankind lived through the past, is Living here in present and will be alive in future. But I say that Time is just a tool devised for better understanding of the Human life. Its just a mathematical representation of various individual moments bundled together. So time exists only Now and its explanation is done using the various entities as past and future using the Mind. And this tool is used for betterment of life by humans.

We communicate using the tool called time with the help of Mind. Humans select which portion of the tool is required by them at any given instance and use it. Some recollect a particular event happened in a particular time in the past - say 'X' to act in a specific way Now. Similarly, some plan for a future event that probably might happen in particular time - say 'Y' and act accordingly Now. This X and Y are reference points. It is conceived only in the mind and you cannot have it in reality. In reality, you have to accept the fact that your mind is portraying the two reference points while you are sitting in your house, in the sofa - Now.

Its not ostrich syndrome, but a very basic understanding of Movement of Life.

lamedvavnik,

Make a choice to analyze your environment you observe or analyze the observer. One must stop mixing philosophy with science. Within nature, Time is nonlinear, observed only as linear by the layman. Mankind did not invent time. Time is a product of our environment, existing long before man evolved, and will remain long after man is extinct. With boundless ignorance and ego, some have grasped this concept and claimed it as their own invention, as a tool of measurement created by the human brain. This is a philosophical view, revolving around the misconception that man is the center of his universe.
If we cannot conceive ourselves as a product of our environment, immersed within the behavior of nature, we remain in the philosophical unreal, projecting thoughts as reality.
Time does not belong to mankind. Time belongs to, and is created by our expanding cosmos.
Claiming time as an invented tool of mankind is an egotistically ignorant philosophical fallacy. Flowers know when to bloom and reproduce. All living things on this planet are aware of time, knowing when to migrate, when to wake, when to sleep, when to eat.
While Science strives to maintain objectivity, observing nature as it exists, Philosophy remains subjective, stating nature exists only as we perceive. Anyone can sit on their sofa and philosophize existence into subjectivity. This is the ostrich syndrome, not an objective scientific view.
Questioning everything, solving nothing, Philosophers are not authorities on science, they produce no advancement only confusion. Philosophy holds back the advancement of science by mixing observer properties with the observed properties of nature.

Time is a nonlinear fact of nature, having nothing to do with mankind’s perception. We live at the mercy of the passing of linear time, created and controlled by nature. The keys to the understanding of time is scientific objectivity.

I mean no disrespect, but my time is precious. I will not waste it discussing science with a philosopher. Stop being a philosopher, ‘want to be’ scientist, and adapt an objective view of your environment. If living only in the ‘now’ and ‘here’ is your firm belief, then you deserve the ‘nowhere’ you are at.

Happy thoughts….Q7

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[quanta07]

I welcome you quick response, and your intuitive views.
If we can think ‘outside the box’ for a moment….
I can't blame anyone for disbelief, as I first rejected this ‘Time’ concept.
The concept of 1 dimensional time is inbred from birth, for everyone. This helps maintain sanity itself.

If I may interject this observation,
The other evening, I grew thirsty and retrieved a Pepsi.
Later, since I am so absent minded these days, I opened a Coca-Cola.
Immediately afterward, I noticed the open Pepsi.
I then poured BOTH the Pepsi AND the Coca-Cola, into the same glass.(oh by the way, its not very tasty)
I created the UNION of Pepsi and Coca-Cola within the glass.

Linear time is much like this, it is in UNION with all other dimensions of time.
Linear time is what we chose to observe for stability in our lives.
Linear time exists within this UNION of ALL of TIME. It is one-dimensional and promotes comfort.
But linear time is in this mix, and we see part of the mix in terms of the comparison of units of distance to multidimensional time,
velocity(1D time), Acceleration(2d time) and Impulse(3d time)
but this is from our "INSITU" view of the universe,

From the view of the universe itself,
the universe sees velocity(4d time), Acceleration(5d time), and impulse(6d time) compared to DISTANCE
The universe sees the distance domain as Euclidean space, D(t^3/6), six directions of distance within 3d time,
Mankind’s view is quite different, we define Euclidean space as t(D^3/6).......
But they are BOTH Euclidean space, from BOTH views, a choice.
Mankind chooses t(D^3/6), to avoid contemplation of the irrational concept of TIME itself. It is much safer, more comfortable, and inbred since birth.
The universe's view shows how mankind’s Euclidean space is blended(in UNION) with all other domains, and sees the interaction.

Mankind view is from the third derivative(change) in universal expansion, and mankind is VERY rigid about projecting his view onto universal expansion, attempting to understand all of it.

Unless we change to the universes view, we remain stumped about many things we observe, within this UNION of all domains.

Mankind uses 1d time for all his Cartesian evaluation. It is something concrete he can build with.
It makes no difference which way you choose to look at time within Euclidean space, things remain as they are.

This holds for mankind, but ONLY in mankind’s domain, but NOT for UNION of Domains, the universe itself.
We accept 3 dimensional time, the denominator in Impulse, and STILL deny its existence.

My sanity clings firmly to 1d time, but the universe does not.

If the universe is what we chose to look into, please look into it from the outside view,
looking from the inside, trying to describe things, is much like a lobster analyzing a bird, it can not see what it is trying to find.
This view from the outside is disturbing, much like a lobster would feel, flying for the first time.

[quanta07]

It really takes some getting used to, and I suppose this is a first view from way up there.
I have no fear, enjoy the view, nothing in our lives is contradicted by this view.

Our friendly, safe, one-dimensional time is here and will remain.
The universe's view shows us 1d time is not alone, it is mixed with all other points in TIME itself.

The universe will tell you this, if you let it in. It will tell us everything, if we listen to what it is saying. Its language is mathematics
To give the whole picture, the universe will present what it says, as if, it spoke to us.

I am a Volume of time[Vol(t)]

contained by a surface area of time[SA(t^/2)]

and within is Euclidean space[D(t^3/6)], and mankind in quest.
from here, mankind sees all laws of physics hold,(except maybe string theory),
these laws ARE the laws of motion, Quantum mechanics, general relativity.....

Within this mix is [V(t^4/24)], giving light to mankind

within this mix is [A(t^5/120)], giving quanta and structure to mankind

within this mix is [I(t^6/720)], giving mankind atoms, keeping stars shining, and black holes sucking in everything nearby.


This is what the function for universal expansion is telling mankind.
If we listen to all it says, we run in fear, our safety and comfort are grounded at birth in another point of view.
We can choose to believe what we hear the universe is saying, or stick entirely to what our next-door neighbor says.
OR we can accept BOTH without contradiction to either.

From within expansion, inside Euclidean space,
mankind notes the unions of distance and the subsets of the inverses of 4D time
Velocity(1/t), Acceleration(1/t^2), Impulse(1/t^3), Flux(1/t^4)
AND
mankind notes the unions of distance and the subsets of 4D time
Distance(t), Surface Area(t^2)/2!, Volume(t^3)/3!, Expansion(t^4)/4!

All this expansion function needs to exist, is the union of 4D Time and Distance.
Two curved surfaces intersect at a point, a 4D point.
That expansion exists, the cosmos exist....this implies that,
Maybe there is a correlation of the big bang event,
a creation of a universe of expansion and creation from religion, Genesis....

'In the beginning, darkness was upon the face of the deep',
infinite distance, no mass, no energy, no light, just a void of distance

'and there was light, a firmament that splits the waters below from the waters above'
between two surface areas, the Union of Distance and 4D time, expansion begins, a Big Bang. A boundary of 'C', the effects of time and the inverses of time

'the earth was created in seven days'
there are seven domains of time in the mathematics of expansion

'rest on the seventh day'
the seventh time domain, Flux is minimal, it is the aether

Some would burn me at the stake for heresy, a new view? Or just what was 'believed'?
It seems that the study of expansion mathematics, the role of time and distance, all leads back to the beginning of a religious belief system, as in Genesis chapter 1.
Someone could have caused the BB…but ‘Creation’ without a supreme being?

Contemporary science still views time as something man has conceived, HOWEVER…..
Time has the behavior properties of a geometric vector, DIRECTION (future) and MAGNITUDE (seconds).
Magnitude is measured and observed with motion, the balance wheel rate within a watch.
Time is NOT motion.
Time is change
The answers to the question ‘What is Time?’ will not be found in contemporary science.

Einstein did not believe in an expanding cosmos, nor did he understand the role of time. Up to his death, he searched for one function, which would describe everything in nature. I believe he would have found it, if he had accepted cosmic expansion.
Time cannot be viewed as a particle, or as a substance. It is not tangible. However its ‘existence’ can be measured by displacement, a change of position verifies and yields our conception of linear time.
Time has one more property to consider, a mathematical property………The derivative of time is time….. AND……. the integral of time is time.
This math property implies that TIME is CHANGE.
Mathematically and Geometrically, linear TIME is a VECTOR of CHANGE…the ‘All’ of time is a vector space.
The observed passage of time may be viewed at any point in volume space as a three dimensional FLOW of CHANGE at that point. Interrupting this flow by encapsulation is the basis of time travel theory.
Time has spatial properties and exhibits multidimensional characteristics within our cosmos…

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Please note that Volume(t) is the first domain of expansion. If within this expansion function, volume is held constant, linear time changes based on the rate of expansion.
It could be that the human body remains a constant volume within expansion, therefore sensing linear time passing.
Again these views will not be found in contemporary science.(Einsteins Physics)

What you believe in, is valuable to you. It is good to question everything, you sir are very wise to do so.


Time to go back ‘inside the box’…I appreciate any response and wisdom in this matter.



Happy Thoughts........Q7

[lamedvavnik]

I still don't say that time cease to exist. It exist in the way it is perceived..
Time is quantified in numbers for the utility factor among humans. Even if its not quantified the life flows on. Its a wild river.

Einstein has told this - "When you are courting a nice girl an hour seems like a second. When you sit on a red-hot cinder a second seems like an hour." He had said this for relativity. Similarly, Time is a relative concept used in human life. Even if not quantified, time will just flow. The only stage where time in a human's experience is this moment - Now. Rest of the whole time line can be perceived only in Mind.

[quanta07]

I still don't say that time cease to exist. It exist in the way it is perceived..
Time is quantified in numbers for the utility factor among humans. Even if its not quantified the life flows on. Its a wild river.

Einstein has told this - "When you are courting a nice girl an hour seems like a second. When you sit on a red-hot cinder a second seems like an hour." He had said this for relativity. Similarly, Time is a relative concept used in human life. Even if not quantified, time will just flow. The only stage where time in a human's experience is this moment - Now. Rest of the whole time line can be perceived only in Mind.

Again, this is a philosophical, subjective view. Everyone knows how time is used by mankind. We are all quite familiar with the now. Where is the scientist? ‘We are only the observer, immersed in its passage at a point called the present’ is subjective. The observer and his mind plays no part in the existence of time as an entity, produced by nature.

Science is concerned with the role of time in the objective sense. Experiments are being done concerning time and the potential to warp space. Making it is possible to shortening the straight-line distance between two points, reducing travel time.
There are also experiments designed to change position of a volume in the ‘now’ to a point in the past or a point in the future. These scientists are approaching the understanding of time objectively. We know that a single photon of light in 3 dimensions, carries with it an entire time line. The goal is to tap this line momentarily and move the ‘now’ with the spatial property velocity merged with this extra time line.
Understanding the role of time has become an objective pursuit in the scientific community. Objectively, time exists as a MacLaurin series within nature. The series components are multi-dimension. With knowledge of its structure and behavior within nature, we will explore the galaxy.

So if you wish to stick to a subjective view, only the ‘now’, a philosophic fallacy, science will move on without you. And when scientists explore our galaxy, it is my hope they will leave all the philosophers home.

Happy thoughts…..Q7

[quanta07]

The Net and communication advancements deliver a global knowledge base at the click of a mouse. As a species ,the objective pursuit of knowledge, by scientific method, does not require the wisdom needed to avoid accidental self destruction Mankind has eaten the fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. A garden of Eden, a place of blissful ignorance, no longer exists.

Motion….
There is a property in deep space. An aether behavior, an instantaneous appearance of what appears to the standard model as a positive mass and a negative mass, which quickly disappear. Appearing and disappearing within nanoseconds, everywhere in deep space, this behavior mimics vaporous aether. Objectively, it is the behavior of expansion, the seventh domain of expansion, called flux. Flux is a change in Impulse. This change in impulse produces acceleration in two spherical forms separated by a distance proportional to the intensity of the flux. The existence and behavior of flux, or aether, is an indicator that the change in flux, delta F, behaves as a sinusoidal wave with a wavelength of a few nanoseconds. An increase in flux creates and a decrease destroys. This indicates the bang which began our local cosmic expansion is delta F(t^8/8!), the derivative of the bang with respect to time is flux, the aether. The existence of the flux, or aether, contributes acceleration to our local cosmic expansion.
The bang, which evolved into the milky way galaxy, produced enough flux to separate volumes of space by distances of 150 light years or more. Now the remaining flux is so low, it is noticed only in the quantum level. I am not aware of any monitoring or measurement of the intensity of flux. If it is increasing, it is an indication of a bang to come.

In terms of expansion, delta F(t^8/8!) is the bang which begins expansion. If we examine delta F in terms of velocity, we can use ‘C’ = delta F(t^4/24) as maximum. This 4 dimensional form is light. If we evaluate this function at t=1, we see that delta F=24C. In the beginning, there was motion, velocity at a maximum of 24C, one second after the bang. To generate the bang, delta F(t^8/8!), requires the merging of two sources of light, Velocity(t^4/24), producing the 8 dimensional source. Since each Expansion component is 4 dimensional, are two parallel forms of expansion created from this 8 dimensional point in time?

Particle physics has spent billions in the study of mass, billions on a large hadron collider that cannot reproduce the bang. They will find no evidence of a Higgs boson, only more particles. The potential to create small black holes with this device is real, hopefully there will not be enough energy involved to sustain existence. This device was built on an assumption that mass was present at the time of the bang, but no mass existed then. Mass did not form until after the inflationary period slowed. We may learn more about mass, however (IMHO) this is an enormous amount of money that could have been spent in much more beneficial areas of research, such as human health research, or reversing global warming.

The concept of ‘No space, time or motion’ has no place in a multiple bang universe where galaxies are still being born, linear time is cyclical, and everything is in motion.

Only in the brain of Man…..Q7

[Max™]

The LHC cannot create small black holes, mass is not something that exists now but didn't exist at some point in history. The LHC is only built to produce extremely high energy densities, all other assumptions about it are secondary, it will succeed in that goal.

Reversing global warming would lead to global cooling, ice ages aren't fun.

$8 Billion is not that much money, we could buy a few days worth of oil for America with it.

[quanta07]

The LHC cannot create small black holes, mass is not something that exists now but didn't exist at some point in history.

You are misinformed. Mass did not exist in this neighborhood prior to the bang which evolved into the milky-way galaxy.

The LHC is only built to produce extremely high energy densities, all other assumptions about it are secondary, it will succeed in that goal.

The LHC is the most powerful accelerator ever built and it has the potential to create holes.

Reversing global warming would lead to global cooling, ice ages aren't fun.

Again, you are misinformed. The effects of global warming are changing the flow of ocean currents which perpetuate temperate climates. The flow of the Atlantic Gulf Stream is now below 35 percent and within the next few years it will stop. North America, Great Britain and northern Europe will be affected. Snows from the winter will not completely melt, but accumulate in depth over the following years forming an ice sheet. The long-term effects of global warming will bring ice age conditions to many areas of the globe. Other areas, which were fertile land, will become barren sand.

$8 Billion is not that much money, we could buy a few days worth of oil for America with it.

Or we could feed and relocate the people, whose land is now a barren arid desert, due to climate changes brought on by the effects of this warming.

Happy thoughts...Q7