Time cannot exist without matter (mass) and motion

[MJA]

That precisely was my point. Do we have any explaination....

Ya, The flaw of science is the uncertainty of measure.

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MJA

[Lakshya]

What about me? Is my derivation correct? You all have taken it to a line far away from the subject.

[Fluent Piffle]

What about me? Is my derivation correct?

Hi Laksha. Unfortunately, you are asking the same questions as everyone else here! - And in so doing, moving yourself further away from an answer, as is anyone who attempts the same!

The answers lie in the coming together. This is how reality/existence 'works' (essence of 'gravity'). By separating 'time' from its 'motion', you create a contradiction which does not exist in the reality, and then proceed to expect some realistic answer to your question! No derivation can ever be correct under these circumstances.

The Cosmos can only ever come together, but because it has nowhere 'else' to go 'to' as it accumulates, it is forced into itself in ever increasing 'mass', which eventually becomes so great that the pressure turns the huge accumulations back into their original (infinite) wave-state, where the process/motion is continually re-cycled (observable as 'galaxies').


Forget 'speed of light', what is the velocity of observation?



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[dipayankar]

Measure is relative. Even today all of humanity does not have the same yardstick for measure. I wonder, if we are able to communicate with any other intelligent species, what their standards for measure would be..

Ya, The flaw of science is the uncertainty of measure.

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MJA

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Measure is relative. Even today all of humanity does not have the same yardstick for measure. I wonder, if we are able to communicate with any other intelligent species, what their standards for measure would be..

Dipayankar, not all measure is relative. In fact very, very little of our total measuring systems is relative, except of course, MJA's...

Lloyd

[MJA]

Dipayankar, not all measure is relative. In fact very, very little of our total measuring systems is relative, except of course, MJA's...

Lloyd

Wow, another complement, it must be my lucky day!

But sorry Lloyd, I have to disagree with your statement about the relativity of measure. Measure is all about relativity, but is not the most fundamental issue or problem of concern. It is not so important that we understand the relationship or relativeness of measure to a coordinate system of Einstein's, or with the more conventional physics of Newton's time or space constants, or even the relativity of an object to the simplicity of a ruler; what is important is that we understand that whatever we measure, relative to whatever, measure is only probable or uncertain at best. That is the real issue.

If you wish to look beyond that certain uncertain relativity of measure, one must simply let go of measure itself. There is a feeling of being out of control, but that naturally is called the freedom of___ ya you guessed it, equality.

The probable measure of time is simply a probable relationship to probable mass in probable motion.
How important is measure?

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[dipayankar]

I would like to disagree. Even between two countries like US and India, we have two systems. You like to measure distances in miles, we measure in Kilometers. Same with our country and our neighbouring country Pakistan... so there is a lot of difference in measure

Dipayankar, not all measure is relative. In fact very, very little of our total measuring systems is relative, except of course, MJA's...

Lloyd

[Fluent Piffle]

I would like to disagree.

Yes, I think this is the essence of all contradictions! People do like to disagree, but why? Is it just the trace-motions of evolution? Is it that there is a certain amount of Truth in everything, and we all latch-on to certain 'parts' of things, without taking into consideration their wholeness?


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[MJA]

Time does not exist without the uncertain measure of mankind.

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[dipayankar]

Rather than being philosophical lets look at practically at my post. Then you will get the essence of it..

Yes, I think this is the essence of all contradictions! People do like to disagree, but why? Is it just the trace-motions of evolution? Is it that there is a certain amount of Truth in everything, and we all latch-on to certain 'parts' of things, without taking into consideration their wholeness?


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