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Re: There is no speed of dark. - 12-30-2007, 03:34 AM

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Repeat: "There is no space empty of field." - Einstein
Dark holds the components for light, even the speed?

I have pancake batter, inside the batter is everything required to make a pancake, taste, smell, touch, feel, sight, sound (cooking). Just seeing the batter could be any kind of batter, cake, cookie, but it holds everything for pancake. It's faster than a pancake because it requires less energy in batter form, yet it holds the same components (speed like the senses). How is that possible?
  
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Re: There is no speed of dark. - 12-30-2007, 04:39 AM

What are we talking about ? The dark we have seen and we know?
No, that is not so dark otherwise we would have never seen it.
The dark we see is light, not very light but very very less light.
The absolute dark means impregnable and heavy, the black hole.
Infinitely still, motionless.
Absence of light, no space and no speed.
There is no such place in the observable universe.
We can know only from where information can be excahnged.
Its also completely dark somewhere inside the human mind.
Beyond thought.
Thought is a point in the space.
Below that it is only dark.
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Re: There is no speed of dark. - 12-30-2007, 03:39 PM

Dear Hearts:
With regard to darkness having no speed...

Not so sure about the pancake batter metaphor - could you be more specific, Sally?

Meanwhile, an excerpt from gautam's last post sums it up:

Absence of light, no space and no speed.
There is no such place in the observable universe.

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(George Berkeley, 1710) ... lay the beginning in a distinct explication of what is meant by thing, reality, existence: for in vain shall we dispute concerning the real existence of things, or pretend to any knowledge thereof, so long as we have not fixed the meaning of those words.

"All things come out of the one and the one out of all things." - Heraclitus
"Reality is an illusion - albeit a persistent one." - Einstein
"Particles give me a headache." - Ibid
  
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Re: There is no speed of dark. - 12-30-2007, 04:13 PM

I think when we think in "100%" absolute terms, which is unlike 100% cotton or polyester, with regards to the fullness of the field, it essentially equates to the "no space, no speed" inference; whereby if absorbed in its entirety would be rendered so bright it would be dark.

Perhaps then, positing newtonian absolute spacetime and einsteinian relative spacetime can render a hilbertan spacetime that we can base our quantum mechanical discrete measurements on. They would be consistent with Einstein's wrapped spacetime as point masses, which are exactly proportionate to the fabric of newtonian space.
  
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Re: There is no speed of dark. - 12-30-2007, 05:50 PM

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Not so sure about the pancake batter metaphor - could you be more specific, Sally?

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The batter contains everything to make a pancake. Dark contains everything, including the speed, to make light.
  
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Re: There is no speed of dark. - 12-30-2007, 06:07 PM

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Dear Sally:

Dark does not 'make light', it is space permeated with light that isn't visible until it encounters matter.

The darkness of deep space, and around each star, including our sun, is saturated with light.

The electromagnetic spectrum is ubiquitous.

(Incidentally, your new avatar is, uhm, stellar... )

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Re: There is no speed of dark. - 12-30-2007, 06:16 PM

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Yes. 'Electronic measurement' is why there is no speed of darkness.

Repeat: "There is no space empty of field." - Einstein
Can you elaborate a bit more, which question were you answering yes to?

Can you explain the Einstein quote a bit more? By 'field' does he mean all space is filled by something that is measurable?

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Re: There is no speed of dark. - 12-30-2007, 06:18 PM

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Dear Sally:

Dark does not 'make light', it is space permeated with light that isn't visible until it encounters matter.

The darkness of deep space, and around each star, including our sun, is saturated with light.

The electromagnetic spectrum is ubiquitous.

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Thanks.

Um, do you think anything existed before light? Coz light expires doesn't it? Or do you think light always existed or do you think there is beginning?
  
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Re: There is no speed of dark. - 12-30-2007, 06:32 PM

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Can you elaborate a bit more, which question were you answering yes to?

Can you explain the Einstein quote a bit more? By 'field' does he mean all space is filled by something that is measurable?

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Dear eyeboy:

My response, 'Yes', was in regard to 'There is no space empty of field (Einstein)', and your reply of inquiry as to whether space is occupied. Yes. Wasn't that the gist of our communication?

Enter 'field physics' in Google.

Also:
Do the following inserts in particular help with your question about field phenomena?

field, in physics. The Columbia Encyclopedia, Sixth Edition. 2001-07
field, in physics. The Columbia Encyclopedia, Sixth Edition. 2001-07.
www.bartleby.com/65/fi/field-ph.html - 20k - Cached - Similar pages

field, in physics — Infoplease.com

field, in physics, region throughout which a force may be exerted; examples are the gravitational, electric, and magnetic fields that surround, respectively ...
www.infoplease.com/ce6/sci/A0818630.html - 29k - Cached - Similar pages


Please get back to me on this.

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Re: There is no speed of dark. - 12-31-2007, 10:12 PM

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Dear eyeboy:

My response, 'Yes', was in regard to 'There is no space empty of field (Einstein)', and your reply of inquiry as to whether space is occupied. Yes. Wasn't that the gist of our communication?

Enter 'field physics' in Google.

Also:
Do the following inserts in particular help with your question about field phenomena?

field, in physics. The Columbia Encyclopedia, Sixth Edition. 2001-07
field, in physics. The Columbia Encyclopedia, Sixth Edition. 2001-07.
www.bartleby.com/65/fi/field-ph.html - 20k - Cached - Similar pages

field, in physics — Infoplease.com

field, in physics, region throughout which a force may be exerted; examples are the gravitational, electric, and magnetic fields that surround, respectively ...
www.infoplease.com/ce6/sci/A0818630.html - 29k - Cached - Similar pages


Please get back to me on this.

Best regards,
- RP
I really appreciate the defintion links... thanks.

I'm struggling a bit with the concept though. The field....in this context is a measurement of dark but surely dark represents an absolute negative of another field that is electromagentic. So I'm saying the 'field of dark' is really the field of light.

Maybe I'm barking up the wrong tree....?
  
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