[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by everymansmedium Hello Michael: I hope that I did not offend you. I did not mean to imply any thing negative about your concept, to the contrary. I find our thoughts to be quite similar. I think we may have a different understanding of some words. But I am quite sure that our general direction is the same. I hope that at some point we will have the opportunity to share our thoughts on these concepts. I certainly was not wanting you to leave. I do understand if you do not wish to talk on this subject. I guess that I was getting a bit frustrated that there was not one person that would so much as touch on the concept that I point at so explicitly in this thread. Should I consider this silence as a compliment, or should I just let it drop? John

No worries John,and no offence taken,I understand,we each have varying viewpoints
but we seem to agree at a fundamental level,however we use different wording and prehaps highlight aspects that the other may play down.I pray this thread hooks many
more posters as it deserves more input.

warmest regards michael.

[melanie]

Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick Thanks EMM,Time for me is an illusion,so it cannot be a 4th dimension,however the NOW that you mentioned could very well be,although I would see the 4th dimension as being consciousness expressed within the ever-present now. regards michael.

I'm going to go with michael on this one, for there IS only CONSCIOUSNESS/AWARENESS

In the ANIMATION .. Every-thing manifesting is sequenced, giving the illusion of
a space time continuum, in reality there can be no such thing as 'time and space'

For consciousness to be portrayed, it has to appear as 'objects'
or 'form' in 'time and space'

But consciousness is not in 'space time' or outside of it.
'Space time' is in CONSCIOUSNESS it exists as an idea,known by consciousness.

And consciousness is non-local, non-linear,non-eventful, impersonal.
within which all things are known. [one with the knowing]

Including the the assumed 'i' which is the 'personal' linear, mind translation, interpretation of events.

The 'apparent' 'form' manifesting within consciousness is dream stuff,
it appears and disappears and has no reality.

melanie.

[everymansmedium]

Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick No worries John,and no offence taken,I understand,we each have varying viewpoints but we seem to agree at a fundamental level,however we use different wording and prehaps highlight aspects that the other may play down.I pray this thread hooks many more posters as it deserves more input. warmest regards michael.

Hello Michael:
I did hit the thank you button, but I always feel as though I have not expressed the thank you fully until I put into words. I appreciate the fact that you do see the subject that I indicate as deserving of input.

I do understand why it is a subject that people shy away from, not only here but apparently sense A.E. first indicated that time is the 4th dimension. I have never seen a descriptive look, at the action that takes place, when there is a change of dimensions and then compare this action to the 4th dimension. It does not make any difference what you call the 4th dimension. You could call it consciousness, continue, time or gravity or whatever, it makes no difference what so ever what you call it. By analysis of the previous dimensions it can be seen to CREATE NEW SPACE. It also appears to begin of itself at this point of creation called NOW. In this thread I am not interested what the name of this 4th dimension is. WE can talk of that later. Lets deal with one variable at a time. This variable I see as a very important consideration and will effect greatly WHATEVER follows it.
John

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by everymansmedium Hello Michael: I did hit the thank you button, but I always feel as though I have not expressed the thank you fully until I put into words. I appreciate the fact that you do see the subject that I indicate as deserving of input. I do understand why it is a subject that people shy away from, not only here but apparently sense A.E. first indicated that time is the 4th dimension. I have never seen a descriptive look, at the action that takes place, when there is a change of dimensions and then compare this action to the 4th dimension. It does not make any difference what you call the 4th dimension. You could call it consciousness, continue, time or gravity or whatever, it makes no difference what so ever what you call it. By analysis of the previous dimensions it can be seen to CREATE NEW SPACE. It also appears to begin of itself at this point of creation called NOW. In this thread I am not interested what the name of this 4th dimension is. WE can talk of that later. Lets deal with one variable at a time. This variable I see as a very important consideration and will effect greatly WHATEVER follows it. John

John,you have expressed your self wonderfully,within this Now that we are all present in?
We are immersed in differing vibrational levels,would you consider these as dimensions?
Whats the "real" difference between a dimension and a vibrational rate?

Just a few thoughts,I shou'nt be here really!

regards michael.

[everymansmedium]

Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick John,you have expressed your self wonderfully,within this Now that we are all present in? We are immersed in differing vibrational levels,would you consider these as dimensions? Whats the "real" difference between a dimension and a vibrational rate? Just a few thoughts,I shou'nt be here really! regards michael.

Hello Michael:
I see a vibration as a cyclic movement of some material at a specific rate of reversal, traveling in one direction for a distance and then reversing the direction to travel again the same distance in the other direction. This movement is repetitive and has its speed controlled by the physical characteristics of the material object that result in resonance. This is easy to see at the lower frequencies, as the frequency goes up it is much harder to see this phenomena as a movement. This is because the material that is moving is much smaller. As it gets to the levels that are found at the spectrum of light it can only be a particulate movement or wave transition.

I do not see this as being anything like a dimension. However do not worry about the thought that you should not be here. None of us are qualified to communicate about this phenomena. THIS IS EXACTLY MY POINT. It indicates an action that is non deterministic.

This means that it can not be dissected further, nor can it be understood more than what we have already done.
If we can not determine what is taking place at this point then we should maybe take a pole as to how many people agree and how many people disagree, and if they do disagree, what they wish to indicate in the place of creation.
We need more than just silence at this point. This is a criticle issue and it is an open physical question.
John EMM.
http://unit-unity-community.com

[everymansmedium]

Originally Posted by everymansmedium Hello Michael: I see a vibration as a cyclic movement of some material at a specific rate of reversal, traveling in one direction for a distance and then reversing the direction to travel again the same distance in the other direction. This movement is repetitive and has its speed controlled by the physical characteristics of the material object that result in resonance. This is easy to see at the lower frequencies, as the frequency goes up it is much harder to see this phenomena as a movement. This is because the material that is moving is much smaller. As it gets to the levels that are found at the spectrum of light it can only be a particulate movement or wave transition. I do not see this as being anything like a dimension. However do not worry about the thought that you should not be here. None of us are qualified to communicate about this phenomena. THIS IS EXACTLY MY POINT. It indicates an action that is non deterministic. This means that it can not be dissected further, nor can it be understood more than what we have already done. If we can not determine what is taking place at this point then we should maybe take a pole as to how many people agree and how many people disagree, and if they do disagree, what they wish to indicate in the place of creation. We need more than just silence at this point. This is a criticle issue and it is an open physical question. John EMM. http://unit-unity-community.com

Hello friends:
I have posted this thought at other places on the web and the only response that I receive is that this thought is indicative of the need to continue the
research of this thought in string theory / super string theory / M theory.
This it seems completes a full circle sense I came here to Toequest.
I would still like to get a feel for what other people here are thinking relative to this observation.
John.

[everymansmedium]

Originally Posted by everymansmedium I do understand why it is a subject that people shy away from, not only here but apparently sense A.E. first indicated that time is the 4th dimension. I have never seen a descriptive look, at the action that takes place, when there is a change of dimensions and then compare this action to the 4th dimension. It does not make any difference what you call the 4th dimension. You could call it consciousness, continue, time or gravity or whatever, it makes no difference what so ever what you call it. By analysis of the previous dimensions it can be seen to CREATE NEW SPACE. It also appears to begin of itself at this point of creation called NOW. In this thread I am not interested what the name of this 4th dimension is. WE can talk of that later. Lets deal with one variable at a time. This variable I see as a very important consideration and will effect greatly WHATEVER follows it. John

Is there any one that wishes to say anything about this observation?
Show my signature to be wrong!
John

[mkirkpatrick]

Keep persisting here John,you will get a bite,unfortunetly it is only me a sprat to catch a
Mackeral so to speak.

Prehaps dimensions are an illusion,and there is no 123 for there to be a 4th?There can be
no dimensions within the Absolute,only in a temporal setting are dimensions imagined!?



regards michael.

[everymansmedium]

Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick Keep persisting here John,you will get a bite,unfortunetly it is only me a sprat to catch a Mackeral so to speak. Prehaps dimensions are an illusion,and there is no 123 for there to be a 4th?There can be no dimensions within the Absolute,only in a temporal setting are dimensions imagined!? regards michael.

Hello Michael:
Maybe all there is, is time. We exist as a dimensionless point of consciousness that exists at Now. This is also a dimensionless point of time for the dimensionless point of consciousness to exist. As this point slides down the single dimension of time forever at the point of the creation of all things, Now. It does leave a history as we can remember when the Now was yesterday. There is also a measure from one now to the next, This measure is a dimension. Just a single dimension of time. Maybe it is the consciousness that is the creator. But that is just a word. A word that is no more probable than the word Being, or the words I AM. There truly is no more true statement than NOW I AM, and I AM is at the point of creation called NOW.
NOW I AM
John
Happy (Equinox)(Passover)(Easter)

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by everymansmedium Hello Michael: Maybe all there is, is time. We exist as a dimensionless point of consciousness that exists at Now. This is also a dimensionless point of time for the dimensionless point of consciousness to exist. As this point slides down the single dimension of time forever at the point of the creation of all things, Now. It does leave a history as we can remember when the Now was yesterday. There is also a measure from one now to the next, This measure is a dimension. Just a single dimension of time. Maybe it is the consciousness that is the creator. But that is just a word. A word that is no more probable than the word Being, or the words I AM. There truly is no more true statement than NOW I AM, and I AM is at the point of creation called NOW. NOW I AM John Happy (Equinox)(Passover)(Easter)

A most interesting way of putting it John,I could buy that if i had any cash that is?
I am Now is the point where we are all at NOW!

Enjoy your day,best regards michael.