Is time the 4th dimension? What are the true implications of this?.

[RascalPuff]

Hi John,
With regard to the theme of this thread (Is time the 4th dimension?), please have a look at
http://www.toequest.com/forum/toe-th...html#post29296
and tell me what you think of it.

Best regards,
- RP

[hybrid]

hi,

before i reply can you clarify how these variables are interrelated in your postulate?

NOW
TIME as 4th dimension
Creation of new Space

i mean how can NOW and time relates to one another to create new space?
when you said "new space", do you mean the continous expansion of our space, the hyper space? our 3d space being recreated moment to moment or a parallel 3d space (multiverses)?

my present view of existence is in two dichotomy.
the non-dimensional existence and the dimensional existence.
non-dimensional is of course indivisible. it exists as a whole with no internal structure what so ever.
the dimensional existence is what we commonly perceive : spacemass/time.
the non deterministic nature of the universe can be attributed to the uncertainty principle which implies the indivisibility of elementary matter.
now is the non-dimensional counterpart of classical dimensional time perceived as past present future.

thanks

[everymansmedium]

hi,

before i reply can you clarify how these variables are interrelated in your postulate?

NOW
TIME as 4th dimension
Creation of new Space

i mean how can NOW and time relates to one another to create new space?
when you said "new space", do you mean the continous expansion of our space, the hyper space? our 3d space being recreated moment to moment or a parallel 3d space (multiverses)?

my present view of existence is in two dichotomy.
the non-dimensional existence and the dimensional existence.
non-dimensional is of course indivisible. it exists as a whole with no internal structure what so ever.
the dimensional existence is what we commonly perceive : spacemass/time.
the non deterministic nature of the universe can be attributed to the uncertainty principle which implies the indivisibility of elementary matter.
now is the non-dimensional counterpart of classical dimensional time perceived as past present future.

thanks

Hello Hybrid:
I think you should start by reading the very first post to this thread. Then it would not hurt to read #13.

The following are static dimensions. These are easier to understand they do not increase. We will deal with dynamic dimensions later in this post.
To start at the beginning, with a dimensionless point. (0)
From this we draw a line, this line is a single dimension it has length. (L)^1
To add a dimension to this we draw lines at right angels to every conceivable point on the line. This will result with a plane (L)^2 This plane can be imagined to be like a sheet of paper but there would be no thickness to the paper.
To again add a dimension we draw lines at right angles to every conceivable point on the plane, this will result with a volume. This volume would be the equivalent to an infinite number of sheets of paper to form a stack that is a tall as the L that we began with. This is (L)^3
Now if we were to see this 3rd dimension as a dynamic dimension it would be forever increasing in height, like we were adding sheets of paper to a stack of paper. These sheets of paper that we are adding are exactly the same as the one that we had in the previous dimension (L)^2 We are then adding these continually L times to result with (L)^3

Now if we look at our 3 dimensional universe as the result of the 3rd dimension then we must add this whole universe L times to result with (L)^4
But in this case the L is one measurement across our existing universe and may be also dynamic as space is said to be expanding. So this L is an infinity. Therefore we must add this whole universe an infinite amount of times to result with (L)^4

This is what makes ALL movement possible. No object can occupy the same space unless it is a different time, this also tells us that this is not the same space today that was yesterday. It is new space that was created at the point of creation NOW. Open your mind and you will see. There is enough universes created to cover the many worlds theory as indicated in QM. There is enough to cover what is happening in string theory as well

I am working on a graphic that will give the idea of the 4th dimension. For this you will be required to wait until I am happy with the graphic and work my way through the technical process of posting it here. I hope in less than a week. As long as I am left to my efforts.

Now if you will excuse me for a moment I wish to look at a file that RP indicated.
John.

[everymansmedium]

Hi John,
With regard to the theme of this thread (Is time the 4th dimension?), please have a look at
http://www.toequest.com/forum/toe-th...html#post29296
and tell me what you think of it.

Best regards,
- RP

Hello RP:
My friend, I do not use that term lightly as I do feel that you are my friend.
You know me well enough to know that I feel that any task worth doing, is worth doing right. It will take me some time to digest this enough to give you the best honest effort that I can give you.
I am honored that you ask.
John

[RascalPuff]

Hello RP:
My friend, I do not use that term lightly as I do feel that you are my friend.
You know me well enough to know that I feel that any task worth doing, is worth doing right. It will take me some time to digest this enough to give you the best honest effort that I can give you.
I am honored that you ask.
John

Hi John,
That you are honored that I ask, I am reciprocally honored.
Stay in touch, please. Eventually the work in progress will be published more widely, and much of what I write that's readable, was transformed into better readablity, by the advise and suggestions of readers. Thanking you, I am, your friend,
- RP

[quanta07]

Hello John….

Is Time the 4th dimension as Albert Einstein indicated? Or is there more to time as the 4th dimension then has previously been indicated?

This indication was mathematical in semantics only. He referred to space time in Euclidian, (X,Y,Z,t), terms where time is the fourth coordinate. For a layman to consider time as a separate ‘dimension’ is a fallacy, for time itself, is multidimensional within the function of cosmic expansion.
Einstein did not believe in an expanding cosmos, nor did he understand the role of time. Up to his death, he searched for one function, which would describe everything in nature. I believe he would have found it, if he had accepted cosmic expansion. Since mankind has evolved WITHIN this expanding function of space time, examination of this function seems mandatory for a complete understanding of time itself.
Linear Time has the behavior properties of a geometric vector, DIRECTION (future) and MAGNITUDE (seconds).
Magnitude is measured and observed with motion, the balance wheel rate within a watch.
Time is NOT motion.
Time is change
The answers to the question ‘What is Time?’ will not be found in contemporary science.

The purpose of this thread is to analyze exactly what happens to space as the time dimension is initiated. Have we given this phenomena enough thought to truly get a grip at what is taking place at this intersection of time and space.

Concerning the singularity, as the birth of space time, the beginning of ‘time’ and the BEGINNING of cosmic expansion…….
From the string theorist we have a perception of two membranes making contact at a single point. This ‘point’ will be four dimensional, a geometric point of intersection of two planes. Much like the contact point of two spherical surfaces, billiard balls, at the instance of contact, a four dimensional point is created. This point will adopt the properties of both surfaces. Each surface has an expansion property, delta Distance/delta Time, in both X and Y. The ‘point’, when created, will have VELOCITY(delta D/delta T) in all FOUR dimensions (2 from one plane, 2 from the other plane). This point is now called the singularity, 4 dimensional velocity, Light….
Along EACH of these four axis is direction, convergent and divergent, implying that WITHIN this point, there exits four dimensional time objects AND their INVERSES. Within this ‘point’ is the birth of the cosmic expansion function.

Time is a dynamic dimension:

Time is a multidimensional, McClaurin series within the cosmic expansion function.
Time cannot be viewed as a particle, or as a substance. It is not tangible. However its ‘existence’ can be measured by displacement, a change of position verifies and yields our conception of linear time.
Time has one more property to consider, a mathematical property………The derivative of time is time….. AND……. the integral of time is time.
This math property implies that TIME is CHANGE.
Mathematically and Geometrically, linear TIME is a VECTOR of CHANGE…, Time itself is a Vector Space.
The observed passage of time may be viewed at any point in volume space as a three dimensional FLOW of CHANGE at that point. Interrupting this flow by encapsulation is the basis of time travel theory.
Time has spatial properties and exhibits multidimensional characteristics within our cosmos…
Please review
http://www.toequest.com/forum/mathematics-articles/427-the-pure-mathematics-space-time.html
Again these views will not be found in contemporary science.(Einsteins Physics)
Happy Thoughts…Q7

[hybrid]

Hello Hybrid:
I think you should start by reading the very first post to this thread. Then it would not hurt to read #13.

The following are static dimensions. These are easier to understand they do not increase. We will deal with dynamic dimensions later in this post.
To start at the beginning, with a dimensionless point. (0)
From this we draw a line, this line is a single dimension it has length. (L)^1
To add a dimension to this we draw lines at right angels to every conceivable point on the line. This will result with a plane (L)^2 This plane can be imagined to be like a sheet of paper but there would be no thickness to the paper.
To again add a dimension we draw lines at right angles to every conceivable point on the plane, this will result with a volume. This volume would be the equivalent to an infinite number of sheets of paper to form a stack that is a tall as the L that we began with. This is (L)^3
Now if we were to see this 3rd dimension as a dynamic dimension it would be forever increasing in height, like we were adding sheets of paper to a stack of paper. These sheets of paper that we are adding are exactly the same as the one that we had in the previous dimension (L)^2 We are then adding these continually L times to result with (L)^3

the point is static. but to draw a line (L1) from a point to another point. you need to traverse a distance. traversing a distance in space takes time. so drawing a line is already a dynamic process. a one dimensional act of left or right movement.

same case from line to plane and plane to volume. they all takes time to go from one dimension to the next.

Now if we look at our 3 dimensional universe as the result of the 3rd dimension then we must add this whole universe L times to result with (L)^4
But in this case the L is one measurement across our existing universe and may be also dynamic as space is said to be expanding. So this L is an infinity. Therefore we must add this whole universe an infinite amount of times to result with (L)^4

okay, if we take our cue from a 4d hypercube protruding in 3d space, then there should be 8 infinite universe in the fourth dimension.

This is what makes ALL movement possible.

This? what this? what makes all movement possible again?
movements progresses as dimension progress.
one dimensional movement is left or right
two dimensional movement is forward and backward
three dimensional movement is up and down.

together they made up of all the possible movements,

now if you mean that the ORIGIN of motion is in the 4th dimension or higher, i have an open mind to the idea.
but i cannot see time as the 4th dimension because it is present in the 1st, 2nd and third dimension as i have already demonstrated in the first paragraph.

time therefore can be treated as a invariant. and could be a simple unit of count. t1 , t2 , t3 to infinity.