The Illusion Of Time And Space

[greenbug]

You know time has already been defined as a ‘rate of flow‘ by Newton… Whether there is or isn’t space or time we measure difference and define it by these terms. There maybe no definable measurement with out us to perceive differences, if we truly define our reality.

By Einstein’s suggestion the flow is threw that of space and so his definition would simply be that time is a rate or in his words an interval. Yet the flow doesn’t have to be space it could be an object that is flowing from one form to another. But it logically makes sense that if flow is space then all objects are simply an interval in space or a rate of flow.

This is thinking abstract some object as being a rate of flow. Every one wants to define it definitively. But no matter how small you quantify it, you will always have an object that is flowing at a rate. Be it procreating threw space in three dimensions or exchanging rates by means of a flow in a single dimension.

[melanie]

Munty13,great post,and welcome to the forum,we live and move and have our being within this illusion,and most know it not!

Indeed.

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How's michael...now? ..... oh, you know, the same as it ever was / is


Eternity Eternal Now Moment Ever-Unfolding Time Timelessness
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[melanie]

Eternity is a single moment of Infinite Awareness.

[PeteJ]

Munty. I have not read all this, but I notice that early on you dismiss time as some kind of illusion, or as being an artefact of consciousness and in this sense in the eye of the beholder, and then go on to talk about motion. But if time is unreal then so is motion and change.

Score one for Parmenides and Zeno.

For the Buddhist view, which is similar to yours, you might like to chek out 'Abhidhamma Studies - Buddhist Exporations of Consciousness and Time,' by the Venerable Nyanaponika Thera. (Wisdom Pubs)

[spacedout]

Isn't it strange how many point locations there are in our universe; is the universe really infinite or is it finite. Maybe those point relocations are a single thing that repeats like a step over and over giving the illusion that there is distance and time and 3-dimensions. A television uses this principle by one spot or step over and over. I believe what we see in an illusion of something different. Space seems to be quantized by Planck lengths that won't allow a person to know where a single wave is at a given time or to know its momentum at the same time.

[PeteJ]

Wow. That's almost as good as the Jewel Net of Indra. Maybe even better. It would make sense of the idea that there is only one electron.

[spacedout]

We see a single point on a television set making a path across the screen producing a single picture maybe our universe does this. In fact maybe there is only one line that is codded by steps along a time-line by 3-steps xyz over and over. By choosing one of the three steps randomly over and over a three dimensional system can be simulated in chronological order to make a looped path that can change shape from past to present relocating each future point one step from the past. The world would be linear but still act like 3-dimensions.

[edwardjohnson]

temporat time ( thanks to minkowski ) is considered a dimension - it is not
the real dimension of the universe are ( ut, x, y, z). Where ut = ,0, or 1 and determines the speed of light in fact everything. One must have new space created in order for anything to move. Hence, e=mc2 becomes E=m(ut)2 this is the correct expression.

[edwardjohnson]

One can use atomic clocks to measure the recordable phase speed of the rate of expansion. If you remain embroiled in einsteins vision you will remain hung by his rope. He spent 30 years trying to find a solution a formulae.. He could not unless he admitted that Newton was correct for that the universe is an absolute. He did not - and could not find the answer. He trapped his own imagination on the basis that he said that Space-time is distorted by gravity. This is correct but only in x,y,z + temporal time. He completely ignored and disputed the absolute. He was lost! His other predictions are extremely valuable in the x,y,z plane. His work was based upon Newton. He should not have disputed Newtons other belief that the absolute does exist and he would have found the answer.

[edwardjohnson]

one must not confuse space- time with Spacetime. The are completly separate meanings. The science community has never got its head around this! and every new generation cant un muddle them - thanks to einstein.