ETHER: Leptons, Baryons, & Quarks (Oh, My!)

[JAK]

The Higgs-Boson and the Graviton have been unconfirmed for decades (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_particles). Meanwhile, the idea of an ether has come and gone. Newton accepted it, then rejected it. Einstein rejected it, then accepted it. So, here's a shotgun at all of them:

• Quarks appear to be the fundamental set of particles.
• W(+), W(-), & Z Bosons are found during beta decay and are extremely short lived. Since the final reduction (types of resulting particles) is known and documented, these bosons must be combinations of the resultant particles in order to comply with the conservation of energy. Thus, bosons are conglomerations of smaller particles existing together in a transitional state.
• Like Bosons, Mesons are conglomerate transitional particles composed of more fundamental particles (quarks & leptons).
• Baryons also decay quickly and can be treated as transitional states of the resulting particles.
• Photons appear to be multi-faceted, and are likely composites of smaller particles (quarks).
• Gluons form the fabric of the ether and perform the function of hypothesized gravitons. Gluons are not detected because they only become noticeable by their resistance to objects which impede the expansion rate of the universe (XU). Only as gluons are stretched do they become detectable. The greater the impedance, the greater the stretch; the greater the stretch, the greater the resistance; and the greater the resistance, the greater the apparent "mass". Thus, when not stretched, gluons form part of the "void" and are undetectable (using today's technology). For an example of this system, a proton would be composed of 3 quarks pressed together like billiard balls trapped in a "gluon pocket" (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quark).
• Higgs-Bosons will never be found (a mirage) because their scalar quality, which is hypothesized, defies all logic and can be accounted for by the gluon fabric of the ether effecting Einstein's curvature of space-time. With the gluon fabric connected across the universe, expansion and depressions are interconnected.

As Wall-E would say: "Ta da."

[Profpat]

Thanks for the links, it looks like you are in the particle zoo. Don't get lost.

[SteveA]

Thanks for your thoughts, JAK.

I agree with your view that photons are likely not independent particles or at least they may never be precisely describable as such.

If we have a detector and are measuring properties of some object, we might say that we're detecting photons, but if we can switch the context between detecting a photon or detecting some property of matter, then this is an arbitrary selection unless some of that information itself is used to distinguish between when we detected a photon versus when we detected something representative of the properties of an object being measured.

As a simple analogy if we're looking at a star but could select to also declare that we're seeing photons, then unless we're using some other information that is also being measured to distinguish between seeing a star or photons, then there should only be one context and not an indeterminent or arbitrary context.

Notice that being able to switch contexts like this creates the equivalent of a wave or particle duality that can't be measured or verified - because it arises from whatever context an observer decides to use as to whether they're seeing light or objects conveying via. that information. In one case they selected to see an object and in the other they selected to see a linear pathway to an object.

You could also combine these though and say that both exist together (in which case you have the scenario similar to quantum mechanics where unobserved objects become probabilistic remnants) and that view would appear to agree closely with your description of photons being comprised of quarks.

[XXIN]

The problem Michelson Morley experiment :

Michelson Morley experiment was a prerequisite failure.
This error, "only" light needed to move to the ether is recommended.
But need ether's only "light" is not. Mass to be in the ether's
needs. Because of the world with any wind or currents in turn create ether. Light and Mass is also necessary for that is ether.
Therefore, interference in interferometer can not be observed. Again this reason, we do not have a mass of ether is extremely difficult to measure.
However, it has a density, the density, the most perfect manner that is limiting the movement of light.
This limit is an equilibrium point, which is the speed of light. All the constants in the universe is a result of Ether's features.
Fundamental forces and particles in the ether, ether non-energy node points. Such as air bubbles in an aquarium, with the only difference is no air bubbles in the ether.
This node points X, Y, Z axis, moving in the turbulent currents and their surface with all these events will bring. As the location of the nodal point is the initiative

[JAK]

I agree with your view that photons are likely not independent particles or at least they may never be precisely describable as such.
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You could also combine these though and say that both exist together (in which case you have the scenario similar to quantum mechanics where unobserved objects become probabilistic remnants) and that view would appear to agree closely with your description of photons being comprised of quarks.

Thanks, Steve!

Reducing everything to "waves" is VERY appealing to me. With a dual spiral photon creating a "beat wave" (where the 2 waves are slightly out of phase), the particle nature of light is effected through the Compton effect. (I use "spiral" and "wave" interchangeably since I believe a spiral produces the wave effect.)

[JAK]

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Therefore, interference in interferometer can not be observed. Again this reason, we do not have a mass of ether is extremely difficult to measure.

However, it has a density, the density, the most perfect manner that is limiting the movement of light.
This limit is an equilibrium point, which is the speed of light. All the constants in the universe is a result of Ether's features.

Thanks, XXIN! You have been a member for over 2 years but have made only 2 posts. I am honored to have received one.

I believe you hit a critical point that "mass of ether is extremely difficult to measure." If the ether is the "baseline of the universe", then all of our tools have been calibrated to treat it as zero. When it is detected obliquely as "unaccounted for" dark matter, only then is its ultra-subtle nature brought to our attention -- and its being "extremely difficult to measure."

Your mention of the ether as being all of the fundamental forces also resonates with me. I believe all of the laws of the universe are ubiquitous -- omnipresent. Particles and waves of matter do not carry these laws on their backs. These laws are effectively a field -- an ocean of laws --through which matter moves and interacts. So your equating the ether to the fundamental laws and forces is a nice way of describing this. I shall remember it!

Thanks, again, XXIN!

[XXIN]

I thank you I try to explain dark matter or something else not the space-time structure of the tissue forming the structure of matter in a non, but as a matter density is, E = mc ^ 2 because of the substance is energy. Therefore there is no wind, the ether was in the MM experiment.
Passing over each other like waves in the ether as the world moves, but the ether is an extremely rigid structure. Matter is a wave moving in, this rigid structure is not affected by light, an electromagnetic wave is already.
Light and wave structure of matter is different. Therefore, the mass of light particles is zero, the mass of matter particles is greater than zero. But what is both waves in the ether for any one nor the other can not create the wind.
Quantum field theory in fact partly explain it as far as I hear from a physics student, if this correction is made in theory I think is trying to tell you something.
But ether may be a tensor field, because the density and must be constants.
Source of a universal constant. We do not yet know or a "Matter". Not dark matter

[JAK]

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an extremely rigid structure. Matter is a wave moving in, this rigid structure is not affected by light, an electromagnetic wave is already.
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This is a very, very interesting!

George Gamow knew and worked with the "heavy hitters" of physics during its glory years of the early and middle 20th century (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Gamow). His most notable discovery was "quantum tunneling". In his book, The Great Physicists from Galileo to Einstein (ISBN 0-486-25767-3), he highlights issues with the polarization of light as the reason why the "ether" (aka Huygens' "world ether") was eventually discarded by standard physics:

"Indeed, the phenomenon of polarization of light proves beyond any doubt that one deals here with transversal vibrations in which material moves to and fro perpendicularly to the direction of propagation. However, transversal vibrations can exist only in solid materials, which, in contrast to liquids and gases, resist any attempt to change their shapes, so that light ether had to be considered as a solid material. If so, and if world ether fills all the space around us, how can we walk and run on the ground, and how can the planets circle around the sun for billions of years without encountering any resistance whatsoever?" - page 158.

Gamow noted that Lord Kelvin investigated this difficulty and hypothesized that the ether had "plasticity". But Gamow concludes that such a stance leads to the ether having a molecular structure, and "such a hypothesis would only have led to further complications."

Gamow died before quarks and "dark matter" were found or deduced, so his complaint can already be attacked. Further, his doubts rely solely upon known factors of the mid-20th century regarding the polarization of light.

I am very interested in any ideas which provide "rigid structure" to an ether while allowing "plasticity" as Lord Kelvin proffered.

XXIN, can you expand upon your ideas?

Thanks!!
JAK

[XXIN]

This is a very, very interesting!

George Gamow knew and worked with the "heavy hitters" of physics during its glory years of the early and middle 20th century (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Gamow). His most notable discovery was "quantum tunneling". In his book, The Great Physicists from Galileo to Einstein (ISBN 0-486-25767-3), he highlights issues with the polarization of light as the reason why the "ether" (aka Huygens' "world ether") was eventually discarded by standard physics:

Gamow noted that Lord Kelvin investigated this difficulty and hypothesized that the ether had "plasticity". But Gamow concludes that such a stance leads to the ether having a molecular structure, and "such a hypothesis would only have led to further complications."

Gamow died before quarks and "dark matter" were found or deduced, so his complaint can already be attacked. Further, his doubts rely solely upon known factors of the mid-20th century regarding the polarization of light.

I am very interested in any ideas which provide "rigid structure" to an ether while allowing "plasticity" as Lord Kelvin proffered.

XXIN, can you expand upon your ideas?

Thanks!!
JAK

JAK;
I will try to explain my theory. I know George Gamow's theory, yes, a solidly built ether filled the universe, not plasticity. Think of sound waves in a steel block can be moved easily. matter, is a wave spreading is very different spheral.
But it still is a wave. Therefore, does not prevent movement of steel blocks. Contrary to how hard the better.
Other effects of wave harmonics. And the Initiative.
refer to the following address.
http://www.toequest.com/forum/your-t...-idea-514.html # post103967

[spacedout]

If ether doesn't exist the everything would have kinetic movement K = mv and an infarred beam would travel faster than an ultraviolet beam. I believe in a time-line ether that has a length or beginning and end in which every chronological step is relocated in x,y,z directions. I have a book out of my thoughts of an aether called "Time and Everything - quantum leap theory". It is now in Barns and Nobel and on Amazon book stores. It is also on E-Book. Thirty diagrams make the concepts easy to understand.