Time Does Not Exist

[yoseman]

Hello,

Great thread, Very interesting

First at all, this post is a reflexion from someone that don't understand many about physics. But from my ignorance I must to talk about it...

I think that we are probably dragging a big problem with classification of physical acceptable units.

First i want to clearly say that I think time is not a physical unit and it should never have been..

I think the big problem here is physics can't assume as unit something entirely caused by human cognition conditions.( i understand that all is due to human cognition but in my opinion the time Perception is result of an exercice of human abstraction, a helper to relate everything what we perceived through the sensorial receivers )

Physics must do an exercise of abstraction and understand that the fact that we are able to remind does not mean the time really exists.

Newton's apple don't understand about time.

Molecules, Atoms, electrons, don't understand about time.

And the problem is not really that we have invent a physics unit, the problem is more serious.

When we try to establish a relation involving other physics units with time they will be distort too.

And this lead us to formulate erroneous laws that relate weight and acceleration(for example)

The only physics units that really can exist are in my opinion, those whose measurement would only apply to the most minimal particle.

And i don't think that a particle knows anything about accelerations or speed.

how can we relate an atom to the time?

I think that this have no sense.

how can we whe say that The space and the time they curve?

This is Absolutely crazy

In other Branch of physics, not pure physics, we can say that time is an infinitesimal Fictitious unit to help us to be located in space an interpret motion.

But, time... motion... speed... acceleration?

Whats is this...

I understand the position of particles on a Immensely threedimensional space. I understand if we try To give relative position to those particles Between them because we don't know about universe real dimensions.

I understand that this positon will be affected due to interaction between physical particles properties.

But 'will be affected' is not aplicable to physics.

And yes, I understand the position, because I see it.

But I don't see time, I see variations in positions and a human Predisposition to relate those changes: TIME.

But I don't understand how time can affect minimal particles, in fact I think The time does not worry to the particles, worries us.

Because We are not designed to conceive a world without time.

In think that Only when we will ready to assume that in physics the time must be Frozen, we will be able to understand mysteries how what is what happens in a black hole

And after We understand, Omitting the time in our calculations, only after, we can introduce time to make it understandable to other humans.

That's all, sorry my poor english, and sorry my skepticism, I'm not a physician so probably i'm wrong.

[austintorn@aol.com]

I will investigate, by reading TIME magazine.

[labelwench]

Originally posted by Yoseman

But I don't see time, I see variations in positions and a human Predisposition to relate those changes: TIME.

But I don't understand how time can affect minimal particles, in fact I think The time does not worry to the particles, worries us.

Because We are not designed to conceive a world without time.

In think that Only when we will ready to assume that in physics the time must be Frozen, we will be able to understand mysteries how what is what happens in a black hole

And after We understand, Omitting the time in our calculations, only after, we can introduce time to make it understandable to other humans.

Great post Yoseman.

As the comment has been made elsewhere, we humans require the perception of 'time' to order events in our own mind, that we can orient OURSELVES and have a reference point that we may communicate to others with whom we may wish to interact.

It can be a fascinating experiment, in daily life, to take off one's watch and ignore time. Proceed as usual and just work from one's internal rhythms with regard to meals and rest. Take life and the interactions that you come upon as they are, without any advanced scheduling.

Without the preconceptions and anxieties that come from 'appointments' the experience of 'life without time' has a much different flavor.

From working graveyard shift, I have come to appreciate 'unstructured time' greatly. On my time off, I try to make NO APPOINTMENTS OR ENGAGEMENTS, when possible, and find this to be a most worthy and rewarding experiment.

I am not a physicist, and so I offer my observations for others to interpret and translate into 'scientific' terms and lingo.

[THoR]

Hello all,

I am new to this forum and excited about sharing ideas. I am not in the science community (I work in the medical field). However, I enjoy studying concepts related to time. After some thinking, I have decided that time does not exist. It is my belief that our clocks measure distance, not time (they measure the distance of shaking atoms). This is not a new idea and I have seen some threads on this concept here on this website. However, I would like to open the discussion about how this affects other aspects of science.

For example, if time does not exist, and the equasion for velocity is: V= time x Distance, then we do not have a way of actually knowing velocity. If this is true, then we do not actually know the speed of light. If this is true, is the speed of light really constant?

But what I am really looking for here is some new concepts. I would like to play a scenario game with you all to see what kind of creative ideas we can acheive. Instead of just trashing my concept, consider this:

If time does not exist, what is velocity and how can we measure it?

I am looking for your ideas? Who can reinvent this information without measureing time? I look forward to some creative ideas.

Sincerely,

Rene Steinhauer

Time IS a measurement - the comparative measurement of change. It is not 'AN' existence as it has no physical identity. If you don't measure time, you cannot acknowledge change.

[theunify]

\ava 202,

Time was 15 minutes before you noticed a missing "period" will it take 15 years to notice missing something more important?

How can we visualise time without such a method; Ava202/Changing a period=15 minutes; is this A constant and if not what does that say for the other constants such as the speed of light?

~theunify :

[dipayankar]

Time is a rate of change of motion. Without motion there will be no time.

Time IS a measurement - the comparative measurement of change. It is not 'AN' existence as it has no physical identity. If you don't measure time, you cannot acknowledge change.

[medicrene]

Hello all and what a great thread.

I want to thank you all for providing insight. After over 10 years of working on this problem, I have actually found the solution. I guess I was asking the wrong question. I have learned now that it is irrelevent to know if time exists. What I have found is that we have never been able to measure time. If we cannot measure time, then we do not know velocity.

But after much research and contemplation, I have also been able to determine how to meausre velocity without using time. My rough draft about this subject has been completed and I am looking for publication. Keep your eyes posted for this information is really a game changer. If I cannot find a publisher for this article, I will post online.

Have a great day and thanks again for considering the ideas of an amature scientist.

Rene Steinhauer

[Drifter]

Time is a rate of change of motion. Without motion there will be no time.

I agree d.

Spanda is a Sanskrit term for the subtle creative pulse of the universe as it manifests into the dynamism of living form. Spanda can be translated to mean vibration, movement, or motion, referring to waves of activity issuing forth from an unseen Source of spontaneous expression. On a more personal level, spanda refers to consciousness as it orients through thought and intention to organize into authentic action. You may experience spanda as a desire to live according to your own innermost urging, act in line with your interest, follow your curiosity, and attend to your body's natural rhythms as they harmonize within the grander scale of natural life seasons and cycles.

Living in a way that keeps us connected to our core beliefs and desires brings health, stamina, and joy. When we lose our creative "spark" or spanda, disconnecting from our own personal expression of vitality, we lose energy, focus, and a sense of well-being and may eventually fall ill. Connecting with what drives us, feeling that presence in our bodies, is also when we are most aligned with the natural spontaneity that defines life processes.

Yoga practice encourages this conscious connection. Through yoga we learn to listen attentively to our own inner guidance as well as work creatively with the archetypal forms and timeless instructions passed down through the millennia.

Intuition is our "Lost Sense".

also known as the Voice of the Soul.

We can hear it in silent detachment.

That Voice is of the Divine movement/Frequency itself, Heaven is within. Attune (Attenuate).

Turn T/here (Maha-Samadhi),
'time' is "the Harbinger of Death" which we are just another soul sailing on the Face of it all, ticking as it were
inevitably away, for eternity (no thing).
Adrift without a Rudder (Oar).

"What was never born can never Die." ~Zen Master Bankei (It Remains non-conceptual,

but Intuitively, It Is the source for all conceptual arising's- "Ideation Cognizance", The'Fire' Within)

A candle losses nothing in passing on the Flame.

And, eventually, we will all be introduced to our soul, in case 'Eye' as, (ego's "I"'s"),
never made its acquaintance yet, by that time though, it will be too late and Karma Law (Cause-and-effect, aka action-reaction) will Be.

R/S RIP

d.

[Brent]

Space is a cloud of electric charges.

Matter is a volume that alternates positive and negative.

When matter is positive electric charge (space) accelerates into the positive volume, making the volume negative.

This negative charge is released into space as electromagnetic energy. This creates an equal and opposite positive charge in the volume and the cycle starts again.

The lag between the incoming charge and the release of electromagnetic energy is time.

As your velocity relative to the cloud of charges (space) increases, the lag between the incoming charge and the release of electromagnetic energy decreases. Less lag equals less time or time goes slower.

At C there is no lag and therefore no time.

So time does exist and is at the heart of the interaction between space and matter.

Brent

[dipayankar]

I think Time is a result of the interaction between Space and Matter. But still trying to comprehend how the Space Time Continuum/fabric, plays its part.

Space is a cloud of electric charges.

Matter is a volume that alternates positive and negative.

When matter is positive electric charge (space) accelerates into the positive volume, making the volume negative.

This negative charge is released into space as electromagnetic energy. This creates an equal and opposite positive charge in the volume and the cycle starts again.

The lag between the incoming charge and the release of electromagnetic energy is time.

As your velocity relative to the cloud of charges (space) increases, the lag between the incoming charge and the release of electromagnetic energy decreases. Less lag equals less time or time goes slower.

At C there is no lag and therefore no time.

So time does exist and is at the heart of the interaction between space and matter.

Brent