a different 'time does not exist' topic

[SilverRose]

I've been looking for answers for years, & found none... I happened to see this forum, & am wondering if anyone here might have answers, mainly about two specific topics:

First, I've been pestered by precognitive dreams ever since I was a school-kid... by far the most distressing was one about people committing suicide... the reason it was at the top of the 'weird' list is the people had not yet been born at the time of the dream... the only thing resembling an explanation was someone said 'if you can know future events, it's not unusual to know future people'... can someone possibly come up with a rational explanation for this kind of thing?

Second, I have no concept of time, never have, it's like it actually does not exist... it's like my entire lifetime thusfar is as 'present' as the present moment... years ago I found a book that explained it as like standing in a wheatfield- what is behind you is as present as what is in front of you... unfortunately I didn't get the name of the book, & haven't been able to find any reference to it... but as for the situation itself, does anyone here have any insight?

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The 'now' of time rolls along very smoothly as the difference of spaces.

[labelwench]

Hello SilverRose and welcome to the ToeQuest forum.

What an interesting pair of topics, and I might hypothesize that the two of them are related, as they are both perceptual circumstances that might arise from the process by which our brains go about integrating the streams of information that we receive by means of our senses.

The sense of time concept is one of which I have considerable personal experience as a shift worker and I observe that the passage of time and my awareness of it is entirely different when I am working graveyards, than when I am well rested and on my day shift schedule. For nearly 19 months now, I have spent half my week on days and the other half on nights, with significant accumulated sleep deprivation. I am my main test subject in an experiment related to how humans tolerate working in opposition to normal circadian rhythms and I have likewise been observing with interest a significant group of persons working the graveyard shift for the last six years, as our society moves toward 24/7 activity in most aspects of life, beyond essential services.

Back to your question on concept of time. I have a few questions I would like to ask.

How is your sense of rhythm and timing as it relates to music?

Are you one who enjoys moving your body in time to music?

Are you able to follow the beat of the music with precision or are your movements at variance to the rhythm?

The answers to the questions above may assist me in doing the research which could assist a dialogue.

Kind regards,

Labelwench

[Mikal]

I've been looking for answers for years, & found none... I happened to see this forum, & am wondering if anyone here might have answers, mainly about two specific topics:

First, I've been pestered by precognitive dreams ever since I was a school-kid... by far the most distressing was one about people committing suicide... the reason it was at the top of the 'weird' list is the people had not yet been born at the time of the dream... the only thing resembling an explanation was someone said 'if you can know future events, it's not unusual to know future people'... can someone possibly come up with a rational explanation for this kind of thing?

Second, I have no concept of time, never have, it's like it actually does not exist... it's like my entire lifetime thusfar is as 'present' as the present moment... years ago I found a book that explained it as like standing in a wheatfield- what is behind you is as present as what is in front of you... unfortunately I didn't get the name of the book, & haven't been able to find any reference to it... but as for the situation itself, does anyone here have any insight?

Hi SilverRose…first of all I’d like to welcome you to Toequest and attempt to help you with answers that may give you insight or may help you to feel a little more comfortable with your own state.

To begin with a person who is gifted with ‘precognition’ is called a ‘sensitive.’ It simply means on a level of consciousness, you are sensitive to receiving a little more information than others. It also means that information you receive comes from deeper depths in the mind than most others receive either in a dream state or a waking lucid state.
Speaking strictly about ‘energy’ the fact that you have precognitive dreams relates some information to you about your own personal resources such as amplified qualities of sensitivity, expressiveness and even intuition.

If I were to say any of these qualities are responsible for your precognitive dreams it would be ‘amplified intuition’ because intuition dissolves barriers between the material realm and more subtle depths of perception and experience. It’s my guess; you are a true ‘sensitive’ because normally these qualities mature with a person’s life and the cycle of aging.

Now you have only mentioned one precognitive dream—suicide—of course this represents the ‘individual will to be self-destructive.’ But all the symbols or images in a dream must be read together—together it could mean the end of something, the warning that something will end or even the precognition that someone in your life will leave this way.
I do have other information on this in particular and if you would like to discuss it you could PM me, I hesitate to be graphic in detail here as this is sometimes very private experience.

Time—it is said to be the 4th dimension but if you are a true sensitive, that would mean your consciousness is closer to the 5th dimension where there is no sense of time. Also I do not believe we all have the same consciousness of time—people with a strong consciousness of time are usually those who have some reason in their life to use time constructively as opposed to just flowing with time.
When I experienced the altering and deconstruction of my own consciousness which is essentially, having an experience that touches the very subtle depths of perception, I experienced ‘timelessness’ or ‘no-time.’
As my consciousness settled down and became balanced in a new state, I had extreme difficulty adjusting back to living with a sense of time and then because the experience drove me to research, I strangely enough found myself in a very big lesson of learning how to use time constructively.

I would only ask you one question—are you comfortable with your own state or are you simply searching for a greater understanding of that state??

Kind regards Mikal

[SilverRose]

Hello SilverRose and welcome to the ToeQuest forum.

What an interesting pair of topics, and I might hypothesize that the two of them are related, as they are both perceptual circumstances that might arise from the process by which our brains go about integrating the streams of information that we receive by means of our senses.

The sense of time concept is one of which I have considerable personal experience as a shift worker and I observe that the passage of time and my awareness of it is entirely different when I am working graveyards, than when I am well rested and on my day shift schedule. For nearly 19 months now, I have spent half my week on days and the other half on nights, with significant accumulated sleep deprivation. I am my main test subject in an experiment related to how humans tolerate working in opposition to normal circadian rhythms and I have likewise been observing with interest a significant group of persons working the graveyard shift for the last six years, as our society moves toward 24/7 activity in most aspects of life, beyond essential services.

Back to your question on concept of time. I have a few questions I would like to ask.

How is your sense of rhythm and timing as it relates to music?

Are you one who enjoys moving your body in time to music?

Are you able to follow the beat of the music with precision or are your movements at variance to the rhythm?

The answers to the questions above may assist me in doing the research which could assist a dialogue.

Kind regards,

Labelwench

I used to do those things when I was younger, but kinda lost interest (everyday life took precedence)... I never had any difficulty following the beats or anything like that

[SilverRose]

Hi SilverRose…first of all I’d like to welcome you to Toequest and attempt to help you with answers that may give you insight or may help you to feel a little more comfortable with your own state.

To begin with a person who is gifted with ‘precognition’ is called a ‘sensitive.’ It simply means on a level of consciousness, you are sensitive to receiving a little more information than others. It also means that information you receive comes from deeper depths in the mind than most others receive either in a dream state or a waking lucid state.
Speaking strictly about ‘energy’ the fact that you have precognitive dreams relates some information to you about your own personal resources such as amplified qualities of sensitivity, expressiveness and even intuition.

If I were to say any of these qualities are responsible for your precognitive dreams it would be ‘amplified intuition’ because intuition dissolves barriers between the material realm and more subtle depths of perception and experience. It’s my guess; you are a true ‘sensitive’ because normally these qualities mature with a person’s life and the cycle of aging.

Now you have only mentioned one precognitive dream—suicide—of course this represents the ‘individual will to be self-destructive.’ But all the symbols or images in a dream must be read together—together it could mean the end of something, the warning that something will end or even the precognition that someone in your life will leave this way.
I do have other information on this in particular and if you would like to discuss it you could PM me, I hesitate to be graphic in detail here as this is sometimes very private experience.

Time—it is said to be the 4th dimension but if you are a true sensitive, that would mean your consciousness is closer to the 5th dimension where there is no sense of time. Also I do not believe we all have the same consciousness of time—people with a strong consciousness of time are usually those who have some reason in their life to use time constructively as opposed to just flowing with time.
When I experienced the altering and deconstruction of my own consciousness which is essentially, having an experience that touches the very subtle depths of perception, I experienced ‘timelessness’ or ‘no-time.’
As my consciousness settled down and became balanced in a new state, I had extreme difficulty adjusting back to living with a sense of time and then because the experience drove me to research, I strangely enough found myself in a very big lesson of learning how to use time constructively.

I would only ask you one question—are you comfortable with your own state or are you simply searching for a greater understanding of that state??

Kind regards Mikal

it's interesting you used the word 'sensitive,' as an additional oddity is what I've heard called 'empath'... I absorb/feel/experience other people's emotions... like everything else, this has been present since I was a small child...

well, the reason I brought up that one particular precog is only because it's creepier than all the others... no personal suicidal tendencies (past or present)... while that one precog occurred when I was in high school, they've been a common thing throughout my life...

yes, it's a matter of wanting answers- both the 'how' and the 'why'... the only times they're a problem to me is when people point out these are things most people do not experience... especially the kinds of reactions I get from other people over the 'no concept of time' topic... so I wonder "how do these things happen" and "why do they happen to me and not most people"...

[labelwench]

I used to do those things when I was younger, but kinda lost interest (everyday life took precedence)... I never had any difficulty following the beats or anything like that

Thank you, SilverRose, for responding to my questions. It would be nice if geography allowed us to meet and share a cup of tea or a glass of rhubarb wine, as so much of human communication is sent by means of body language and electro-magnetic energy.

My take on the mysteries of life is somewhere between the scientific and the meta-physical.

I believe that there is a logical explanation for everything, we just may not know it yet.

Your precognitive dreaming and time sense may well be related to a perception that is in a range beyond the normal.

Whether one views these differences as a challenge or as a gift is often dependant on the culture one has been raised in.

As Mikal has asked, I would also enquire if your state is comfortable unto you, or if it poses some difficulty either in accepting or desire to comprehend. You may PM if you desire, though I suggest that unless matters are too personal for public scrutiny, others may benefit from our exchange and line of enquiry.

As always,

Labelwench

[SilverRose]

Thank you, SilverRose, for responding to my questions. It would be nice if geography allowed us to meet and share a cup of tea or a glass of rhubarb wine, as so much of human communication is sent by means of body language and electro-magnetic energy.

My take on the mysteries of life is somewhere between the scientific and the meta-physical.

I believe that there is a logical explanation for everything, we just may not know it yet.

Your precognitive dreaming and time sense may well be related to a perception that is in a range beyond the normal.

Whether one views these differences as a challenge or as a gift is often dependant on the culture one has been raised in.

As Mikal has asked, I would also enquire if your state is comfortable unto you, or if it poses some difficulty either in accepting or desire to comprehend. You may PM if you desire, though I suggest that unless matters are too personal for public scrutiny, others may benefit from our exchange and line of enquiry.

As always,

Labelwench

hi,
yes, "the desire to comprehend" says it...

also, what you said here- Your precognitive dreaming and time sense may well be related to a perception that is in a range beyond the normal., that's where my "why" and "how" come in...

[labelwench]

hi,
yes, "the desire to comprehend" says it...

also, what you said here- Your precognitive dreaming and time sense may well be related to a perception that is in a range beyond the normal., that's where my "why" and "how" come in...

Thank you, SilverRose.

Though you question "why" and "how", you have not yet suggested whether you feel this sense of empathy is a gift or a burden, or perhaps a bit of both?

I have some other matters that I should attend presently, but I will be back as time permits.

As always,

Labelwench

[SilverRose]

Thank you, SilverRose.

Though you question "why" and "how", you have not yet suggested whether you feel this sense of empathy is a gift or a burden, or perhaps a bit of both?

I have some other matters that I should attend presently, but I will be back as time permits.

As always,

Labelwench

"a little of both" is the way I look at it

figure it this way- I'm a logical, rational person, and anything that is 'beyond logic' bugs me...