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Re: Without a brain you are dead? - 04-19-2008, 09:00 AM

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Consciousness uses the vehicle closest at hand, for expression, e.g. conservation of energy. ...
Please explain your thoughts about consciousness relying upon "conservation of energy".


Emotive Energy - JAK's Theory of Brain, Mind, & Emotion:
http://www.theoryofmind.org/

Behavioral Investment Theory - Gregg's Theory of Brain, Mind, & Emotion:
http://psychweb.cisat.jmu.edu/ToKSys...iles/frame.htm

Tree of Knowledge System - Gregg's ToE:
http://psychweb.cisat.jmu.edu/ToKSystem/
  
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Re: Without a brain you are dead? - 04-19-2008, 10:46 AM

Consciousness is The Creative Energy at work in a relative model.

Work, action, force, or otherwise, duplicated, is Energy wasted.

Not a very efficient model.

The microcosm is a reflection of the Macrocosm.

What you have inherited from your ancestors, acquire it, in order to posses it or your life will become distorted and distrustful. ~Goeth

A step down from consciousness is sub-consciousness.

A Step further down from subconsciousness, is unconsciousness, this is where our "Inherited", as opposed to our "acquired" consciousness, rests.

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Say someone hears a violin playing, they are "moved" to pick up the instrument, within a few lessons, they are playing like a maestro.

They have "tapped in" to their ancestral unconsciousness and are manifesting it.

"We", the less fortunate, who have followed a different drummer in life call such as these, Savant's, Naturals, Prodigies, Genius`, Mystics, etc..

For whatever reason we, never got in touch with our own "Genius", which came into being with us as our Twin, at the moment of "Conception", and will be with us until "we" die... to our "s"elves, then there will be a final liberation not manifested/given exercise/or rebirth as a twice-born here, for whatever reason.

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Re: Without a brain you are dead? - 04-19-2008, 11:21 AM

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What most creatures [humans especially, are no different]do no realize is that they are not the image or the reflection in the mirror. The Primal, and it is "a persistent one", illusion. Neti Neti



Beautiful ..Can You Say "DETACHMENT"?

It is the mis-identification and mis-placed "self" love that causes our grief. We must learn to Love our Detached "Higher Self" that is our everlasting beauty and sustenance, our "essential Self", our "Essence".

This "waking life" is a pretty present with a lovely bow/now but the gift . . . . is inside the box . . .

"Happy-ing-ness"

May you find it now . . .
Drifter, ..this reminds of the rumi poem ...

"With God, two I's cannot find room. You say I and He says I.
Either you die before Him, or let Him die before you; then duality will not remain.
But it is impossible for Him to die, either subjectively or objectively, since He is the Living God,
the Undying (Koran 25:5. He possesses such Gentleness that were it possible, He would die for you so that duality might vanish.
But since it is impossible for Him to die, you die,
so that He may manifest Himself to you and duality may vanish."

~ Rumi



"When I dare to be powerful, to use my strength in the service of my vision, then it becomes less and less important whether I am afraid".


''Those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind''.

''Oneness is the key to dissolve duality and move us into the greater reality''.

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Re: Without a brain you are dead? - 04-19-2008, 11:36 AM

Like you Mel, Rumi is one of my all-time favorites.

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Drifter, ..this reminds of the rumi poem ...

"With God, two I's cannot find room. You say I and He says I.
Either you die before Him, or let Him die before you; then duality will not remain.
But it is impossible for Him to die, either subjectively or objectively, since He is the Living God,
the Undying (Koran 25:5. He possesses such Gentleness that were it possible, He would die for you so that duality might vanish.
But since it is impossible for Him to die, you die,
so that He may manifest Himself to you and duality may vanish."

~ Rumi
  
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Re: Without a brain you are dead? - 04-19-2008, 12:20 PM

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Consciousness is The Creative Energy at work in a relative model.

Work, action, force, or otherwise, duplicated, is Energy wasted.

Not a very efficient model.

The microcosm is a reflection of the Macrocosm.
Excellent. D


Pure Awareness[Primal][Animating Energy] .. ''Personal Awareness'' 'you'

Compare this Animating Energy to electricity.
It expresses as light via a light bulb.
The light bulb may consider his wiring as that which supplies the light.
When the bulb hears about this undying electricity, it may say, "yes but when this wiring inside me finally gives out,the light disappears and that will be the end of me."
If this lamp would see that the light orriginates in the electricity and not in his wiring,
he would recognize this as his true nature,
That what enlivens him and is not affected by the end of the lamp.

All I can suggest is to find out how real this 'me' is that might die.
The certainty that you are not the body has to come and burn away the doubts.
Find and recognize the electricity that 'lights up' your wiring. This recognition can not be given to you as it takes the 'you' you think you are away.
See if this 'you' that supposedly does the thinking can be found apart from thought itself.
See if there really is a you that does the thinking and the living.
If it cannot be found, then who is going to die?

As long as you believe yourself to be limmited to the body mind organism, instead of the Animating Energy,
you will be like the lamp and you will sell yourself short.

Leo Hartong.



"When I dare to be powerful, to use my strength in the service of my vision, then it becomes less and less important whether I am afraid".


''Those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind''.

''Oneness is the key to dissolve duality and move us into the greater reality''.

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Re: Without a brain you are dead? - 04-19-2008, 12:27 PM

LOL Mel, your on a roll today! Leo's another of my all time favs.

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Pure Awareness[Primal][Animating Energy] .. ''Personal Awareness'' 'you'

Compare this Animating Energy to electricity.
It expresses as light via a light bulb.
The light bulb may consider his wiring as that which supplies the light.
When the bulb hears about this undying electricity, it may say, "yes but when this wiring inside me finally gives out,the light disappears and that will be the end of me."
If this lamp would see that the light orriginates in the electricity and not in his wiring,
he would recognize this as his true nature,
That what enlivens him and is not affected by the end of the lamp.

All I can suggest is to find out how real this 'me' is that might die.
The certainty that you are not the body has to come and burn away the doubts.
Find and recognize the electricity that 'lights up' your wiring. This recognition can not be given to you as it takes the 'you' you think you are away.
See if this 'you' that supposedly does the thinking can be found apart from thought itself.
See if there really is a you that does the thinking and the living.
If it cannot be found, then who is going to die?

As long as you believe yourself to be limmited to the body mind organism, instead of the Animating Energy,
you will be like the lamp and you will sell yourself short.

Leo Hartong.
  
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Re: Without a brain you are dead? - 04-19-2008, 12:34 PM

N.L.# 111, I loved this one.

Question:
Some ramblings here. If you have any thoughts, I would appreciate hearing them.

I thought that I was content with the ambivalence of being consciousness. But as I shift back and forth throughout my day between consciousness, mom, consciousness, wife, etc., I sense more questions.

As magnificent as your book is as well as other books like Tony Parsons are, is there more? Is it oversimplified to say that nothing really matters because we are not really the wife or the mother, as there is only consciousness? Could two things be correct simultaneously, that nothing matters and yet perhaps something else could matter?

I think of what I knew to be the truth back in the 80's, then the 90's. Then in 2000, with Advaita I believed that I knew the real truth. But, it can't really ever be completely figured out, can it? So what is the new truth for 2008 and beyond?

Maybe you could write a book from the place that we are all already awake, now what?

Response: "Now what?" is certainly a title I'd consider for a new book, if there's ever going to be one. Or perhaps, "Now This" or simply "This."

There is always more, because THIS is limitless, yet THIS is all there is and all there ever will be. Appearances including 'awakening', being a mother, or anything else, are neither real nor unreal. We could also say that such appearances are relatively real and in the absolute sense unreal; just like appearances in a dream are real within the dream and unreal when the dream is over.

While in the ultimate sense 'nothing matters' in day to day living many things matter; Love and pain, health and sickness, food and hunger, the warmth of the sun, the stinging cold of winter, the stars at night, feeling lonely or connected… to name but a few 'options' in this tapestry we call life.

So things matter and they don't; both and neither. Such contradiction may seem to make this complex, yet it is clear and simple and seeing this can be instantaneous. Let's take a metaphor like 'humor.' It is not something difficult, yet what it really is cannot be satisfactorily put into words. It can't actually be taught or explained, but totally different jokes and situations may be used to illustrate the idea of 'humor' and result in sudden laughter. It is not a formula to be understood, but thinking that it is may be a humorous indication that it isn't really 'grokked.'

The same is true for seeing through the idea of an independent character that could somehow 'find it', 'lose it', 'be awake' 'understand' or has to plot a course through life. The I-dea that there is a character that at one point seemed to know the truth shows the misconception, as there is no character to know this. The character is not the 'knower' but a 'known object.' There is no 'I' that has to figure out "Now what?" and no 'I' shifting back and forth; the apparent shifting back and forth IS the 'I-object' which appears in This-Unknowable-Knowing.

It is not that you are not really the wife or the mother. We could say that 'what you truly are' is not limited to these roles. You are both and neither, the character and THAT what appears as ALL characters. You alone are, and 'you' are not. It sounds like a contradiction, yet it is as simple as an actress both being and not being the role she plays.

This is not something to intellectually figure out, it won't really work, just like a joke when explained and analyzed, is not half as funny as when it is instantly 'grasped.' Here the joke is on us and yet there is no 'us', which is again the joke. 'Getting IT' is like a dog that finally caught his tail. He always already had/was that tail and 'grasping' it has added nothing to the situation and holding on to it is not a good idea either. This 'understanding' is the gateless gate: Once it is passed it is clear that there never was a gate or anyone to pass it. All words, all paradox, and there is no way of knowing whether this will result in laughter or confusion, but whatever appears, it is all IT appearing as such.

"So what is the new truth for 2008 and beyond?" Well, there is only NOW in which 'beyond' is just an idea presently arising. The 'truth' for now is that there is no one apart from 'the truth' to know it. The 'truth' for now is that there is only life appearing AS all… and what 'you' truly are is this One, being all.

"Now what?"

Now THIS! Emptiness full to the brim; "Chop wood and carry water."
  
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Re: Without a brain you are dead? - 04-19-2008, 12:46 PM

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"When I dare to be powerful, to use my strength in the service of my vision, then it becomes less and less important whether I am afraid".


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Re: Without a brain you are dead? - 04-19-2008, 12:53 PM

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Re: Without a brain you are dead? - 04-19-2008, 01:15 PM

Nice montage drifter .. you forgot this one though



whoops I mean this one..




"When I dare to be powerful, to use my strength in the service of my vision, then it becomes less and less important whether I am afraid".


''Those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind''.

''Oneness is the key to dissolve duality and move us into the greater reality''.

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