[mkirkpatrick]

We are Spirit with a temporal form,we are soul with a outer body,we are punished "BY" what we do and NOT for what we do.Having cleared that out of the way,what is our task
as self aware beings?


As I see it we are impelled by an inner pressure(soul force)to discover our real and true heritige,this takes eons of experience to bring us to a point where we "come online" so to
speak,and begin to make contact with our higher self,the soul.This has the effect of speeding up an awakening sequence and unlocking previously hidden knowledge.

We begin to make connections,it is at this point that our egos use every trick in the book
to divert us from this quest,because the ego knows that at the end of this path lies its death.We will have to resist frequently in order to overcome the divergent egoic pressure.


Doubts as to our very reality assail us,am I really real?The mind will ask!Fear will often
rear its head,as we begin to feel unsure of what we are,and where we are!Thankfully these thoughts and feelings are of a temporal nature,much as our outer form is!

tbc.

regards michael.

[mkirkpatrick]

Our feelings at times seem to want to comfort us,reassure us that "all will be well" and at
times "suggest" that we are "special" and prehaps unique,these feelings are right and proper until we reach a point where this sort of reassurance begins to feel somewhat hollow.

When this happens we have reached a stage where we neecd to go deeper into our
core of being to uncover that which until now was hidden from us.


tbc



regards michael.

[melanie]

Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick Our feelings at times seem to want to comfort us,reassure us that "all will be well" and at times "suggest" that we are "special" and prehaps unique,these feelings are right and proper until we reach a point where this sort of reassurance begins to feel somewhat hollow. When this happens we have reached a stage where we neecd to go deeper into our core of being to uncover that which until now was hidden from us. tbc regards michael.

Good starter thread michael.

There can however be confusion over this word illusion,
as i found out yesterday on the shout box
Speaking from a subjective view can be very confusing and difficult.

The illusion is .. we are brought up by our parents who adore and dote on us,
and invariably we begin to take on this assumed sense of a real identity, believing we are this special individual self ..
We then wrongly or rightly allow ourselves to be manipulated and conditioned by our society and peer groups.

The grip of an assumed separate self takes a powerful hold, with a life of it's own, (pardon the pun)

Consequently we become addicted to this self, we are very fond of ourself
naturally, and if we are honest we don't like to give this up, we cling to the illusion.

Doing this is the cause of most of our suffering it is our very attachments
to objects and things including people, and ourselves.

Letting go of ourself is the best way to live, but often the hardest thing to do.

melanie.

[melanie]

= melanie: Consequently we become addicted to this self, we are very fond of ourself naturally, and if we are honest we don't like to give this up, we cling to the illusion. Doing this is the cause of most of our suffering it is our very attachments to objects and things including people, and ourselves.

Suffering by default brings us closer to the realization of our true self,
which is purely divine eternal.

Knowing and being at one with this realization is peace.
This is what we are it is our true nature.
It is our birthright to understand and be at one with this knowledge.

So all is by design in this all inclusive 5 star hotel of divineness/ design-ness, accommodating every-thing at every level.

At this level of understanding the 'pseudo self' is in a state of total acceptance of it's predicament
and therefore taps into an already knowing,
that all the negative and positive comings and goings of life's unfolding,
are merely .. transient- not real- illusional appearances.
So who is there to worry about anything.
This leaves us free to live the dream as intended.
To be at AWE of this beautiful mystery.. Like that of a child.

To paraphrase jesus....unless we become like a child, we will not enter the kingdom of heaven.
surprisingly that heaven isn't some other place we ascend to,
it is .. right HERE! ! right NOW! ! .. on earth.

melanie.

[mkirkpatrick]

Most grateful for your input here Melanie,The belly of the "beast" grows exceedingly warm,the beast which lives in man and dwells and draws strengh from his ignorance
is being "ousted" by a "new ray" that sweeps across the consciousness of human-kind,
this ray is one of enlightening energy and is is direct response to the "collected call" of
the many souls who now "see" through the false images and re-cognise with the inner
reality of ONE that IS.


A great phase shift in conscious awareness is dawning upon mankind,many already feel
it,many more will soon.That which has remained hidden in plain sight will once more stand
revealed,the Divinty that is Man will be accepted and known to be valid.


tbc

regards michael.

[r.p.bibra]

Brother,
Nature is not revengeful. These are our own actions which rebound with reactions, reflections and resound. But man has to achieve perfection, both, in the physical world and in Conscious level. Evolution (of ephemeral world and conscious) itself means improvement in the quality of material world and life, which gradually elevates to optimum level of perfection. Completion, perfection, means filling the gaps, uniting the parts previously departed, rising from the lower to the highest, and achieving the optimum level of efficiency in the qualities of objects, living or inert.
Please remember there is no element of punishment in the scheme of ‘Divine’, It is without Gunas i.e. attribute less. However individual soul (spirit) has the qualities of Sat-Ciit-Anandh (Truth-Being-Bliss). As the purpose of each individual soul is to regain to its prestine glory of these qualities and simultaneously blossom the same in its containers (bodies), its evolution remains incomplete until this objective is complete. Let it be described in this way;
Though its purity is never affected but the purity of its containers is venerable. Unless its containers are pure and blemishness, it has no hope of its release and redemption! The way to that is the attainment of ‘Absolute Bliss’, and the way to that is via, kindness, humility, sympathy, affection, compassion, love and peace. That is, to regain in full measure all the qualities, its containers lost or got them contaminated. To regain and recoup their fullness, it has to re-incarnate again and again.
An analogy: Suppose a man kills another man. He becomes a killer and is sentenced to death. Society awards him the punishment both as retribution and a deterrent (action) to serve warning for others to desist from committing these heinous crimes. It is also satisfying the law and the conscience of the society. But what about the conscience of the killer! If he killed a man, society also killed him. A tit for tat! When he killed, his conscience bears a big dark impression. How it is to be erased? After all his conscience has also to get release! For an act of his senses, his conscience is tainted. Now the only way to erase it, clean it, is by living out this action. That is possible by erasing the hatred, the very cause of that heinous crime. But how to do that, the container (killer) is dead (hanged)? Only his conscience remains with the impression of the crime. Here nature put him in those containers, where his conscious would evolve (live) through those bodies where it could acquire qualities of compassion and love instead of hatred, envy, anger which were previously the cause of the crime. Thus nature is not retaliatory but rather complementary to have given ‘him’ (conscience) a chance to improve the shortcomings and made ‘him’ feel repentant, as only compassion makes us feel the hurt of others. Instead of meeting evil with evil, it has substituted love in place of hatred by generating enough of compassion in the dark impressions, that in due course are erased and love fills the conscious that is its nature.
love&regards.ls,

[mkirkpatrick]

Most grateful for your input here Ls.no indeed nature or God is not revengeful or holds grudges,however though man does!The lower self in man is of the beast,our job is to
transmute that beast into a God/man,by acts of love and kindness,and of course sacrifice
of our own personal wants,to marry up with our unified needs!


When we begin to awaken from our long slumber,we slowly make the links and connections that at first cause the mind to "reel" our very identity seems at risk!



tbc



regards michael.

[mkirkpatrick]

The clarian call has gone out,Awaken yea sons of man,your slumber of aeons past draws
to a close,wake up and address that which stands before you.

Sleepily man rubs the dust from his eyes and looks around,what manner of place is this?
the mind begins to question all that is apparent,who am I,what am I,and where am I,all
these many questions demanding answers.

We begin to discover that there is more to us "than meets the eye"we fell an inner pressure like something is trying to get out,what is it we wonder?Soon we discover that
we are spirit with a body of expression,we find a Divinty within,a kinship with all other
things?Why is this we wonder?


tbc


regards michael.

[mkirkpatrick]

As a flower unfolds before the rising sun,so do we unfold before arising consciousness
which is as enlightening as the sun only ours is from within,the flower from without.

The pressure of the evolutional wave causes us unrest (divine discontent)this acts as a
spur for us to probe into the reason of being.

When we accept this subtle pressure and align ourselves to it unfoldment begins in
earnest.We begin to intuititively know things that were previously hidden from us (by our
own ignorance)we understand the connections,bridge that gulf between believing and
knowing,then the illusions begin to fade,we see that we are one within the ALL and that
ALL just "IS".



This could be our spot in our evolutionary cycle when we wake up,recognise,listen to that
still small voice within,brush off the dust,and begin the greatest adventure ever taken by
mankind.

regards michael.

[melanie]

Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick As a flower unfolds before the rising sun,so do we unfold before arising consciousness which is as enlightening as the sun only ours is from within,the flower from without. The pressure of the evolutional wave causes us unrest (divine discontent)this acts as a spur for us to probe into the reason of being. When we accept this subtle pressure and align ourselves to it unfoldment begins in earnest.We begin to intuititively know things that were previously hidden from us (by our own ignorance)we understand the connections,bridge that gulf between believing and knowing,then the illusions begin to fade,we see that we are one within the ALL and that ALL just "IS". This could be our spot in our evolutionary cycle when we wake up,recognise,listen to that still small voice within,brush off the dust,and begin the greatest adventure ever taken by mankind. regards michael.

Well said michael.

Nothing can die for it was never born.
All THIS .. is spirit APPEARING in form. [Visible]
Spirit is the opposite to what is SEEN [Invisible]
Spirit is invisible until Seen which is form.
We can't have one without the other, ( think about that very carefully)
WE ARE THE SEEN.

There is no separation between the two.
They arise mutually together in this conception.
Already done and dusted. Like you said once before michael.

Now for the brain that got too big, they might argue
how can something not seen even exist?
Well it is seen in the seeing it is self evident.
I mean we humans didn't make ourselves did we?
It appears in our consciousness.
Where is consciousness? invisible until it appears in the seen, visible.

So
No-thing is dead because no-thing was ever born except as ''appearance''
and 'appearances' have no lasting reality.

It's all a dream.

We have to go back to reading old literature and scriptures,
and there are plenty of new books about awakening available too.

The old scriptures in there many varying descriptions and stories have been telling us for thousands of years about our reality.

The problem with modern man you see is that his brain got too big.

He thinks modern science and technology will find the solutions to life's problems.

Yet in the process of DISCOVERING he doesn't realize that
any neglectful human interference,
causes a detrimental effect on nature's delicate and elegant balance.

We still need to obey natures laws.

We are unconsciously poisoning our beautiful planet,
She sustains us, she has given us so much,
we are having a detrimental affect on our mother due to our relentless and excessive material attachment and dependancy.

So it's back to square one as usual, back to basics again!
because in reality nothing changes.
We are not changing something for the better like we assume we are.
By trying to interfere, we are making things worse.

Our reality is changeless .. change appears .. but the changes are the many expressions of this one conception. Which is changeless.

It is a closed loop. We have to adhere to natures own harmony and balance.
IT was there in the beginning, as told by the eden metaphor,
Eden is still here, but we have gotten lost in the fog of our own making.

Hopefully we are beginning to wake up and see the beauty through the fog
if we don't wake up soon, we will extinct this earthly place of all humans.

Pure consciousness is ALL of creation.
Consciousness .. is not just the human brain that got too big.
It is all of creation we are natures co-creators and we are not doing a very good job right now.

melanie.