Is it okay to die?

[MikeInfinity]

I follow an inner call to search out and eliminate desire. I fear to ever have to die with even one desire unfulfilled. My philosophy is if there is a desire there is also a means to fulfill it. For it would be impossible for a mind or soul to conjure up an unfulfillable desire. Desire and the satisfaction thereof not only arise from the same source, the are indeed two halves of the same whole.

With this being said, I perceive a desire to not to want to grow old or to die.

I am not afraid to die. I even feel as if would miss a valuable experience if I chose not to die, because death is obviously a choice.

Universal Law- things that are always true.

If one can choose to die by suicide, then the power of ones own life is upheld by choice. If life is a choice then the power of our own life and death is in our controlled choice.

Please no accidental death scenarios because a choice was made firstly before the accident took place.

This question no matter how abstract it may sound is the thought that I struggle with mostly these days. My mind has cascaded through several avenues in which the indefinite prolonging of my own physical life would be remotely possible.

So if possible, would the pursuit of such a remote possibility be profitable?

Does anybody else have a desire to not to grow older and older to the end of -Being defeated by the unpursued possibility?

Or should I just make a time capsule as my grave inscribed- Suspended DNA inside- WHEN mankind reaches technological resurrection capability PLEASE REANIMATE ME (I wasn't finished my Theory of Everything yet.)

[austintorn@aol.com]

You might have to find some ice glacier that will be around for a while, rather than just some freeze chamber whose electricity might go away.

Have an extra large tombstone attached which describes enough of the TOE to interest people in reviving you, plus offering to reveal the secret location of some gold. By then they will have solved the DNA degradation problem and you can live forever if you can avoid accidents.

[melanie]

So if possible, would the pursuit of such a remote possibility be profitable?

Does anybody else have a desire to not to grow older and older to the end of -Being defeated by the unpursued possibility?

Desire and intent is what keeps existence going in the first place
without the desire to live, all this wouldn't be
even though it is nothing other than pure dreamscape.

Does anybody else have a desire to not grow older?
My answer Mike is no.
To me aging is a body thing, whereas the mind/brain is ageless.
Awareness is neither alive nor dead- it just IS
It is-This ever unchanging limitless eternal presence of beingness.

Going to sleep at the end of a long hard working day is a comforting relief for the tired worn-out body.
The body wears out, but the mind is limitless and ageless.
So, for me, dying is just like going to sleep after a long day's work.
Only difference is, we go to sleep after a long life's work, same thing.
Nothing is ever lost or gained,
every apparent happening experience is an integral part of this eternal life 'experiencing'
of eternal presence for no-thing and no-one.

[melanie]

Knowing we are immortal already, requires just a simple shift in our personal limited awareness.

How To Become Immortal

The truth is….

WE are already immortal
or ‘always present’

But personality will never be immortal.
The ‘ME‘ most of us believe is our self.

Hold on…..
I can explain

Existence is a subjectively conscious self-contained
energy field which is always present (eternal)
and
It is you/us/all.

Existence likes to ‘pulse’ in and out of
vibrational complexity.

It is the true definition of perpetual motion…
an endless movement between two states
with no beginning and no ending.

As such existence is eternal but not
infinite…it’s motion is limited to the
nature of the pulse.




That’s all existence does on an energetic level
over and over and over…..ad infinitum.

From our human perspective in the current objective
material universe it might look more like this:

big bang – expansion – contraction – ad infinitum.



That’s right you and I are just an energetic
rubber band…………..(kidding).

The BEST Part

The ’subjective consciousness’ element of our collective nature which
science is just beginning to acknowledge is what drives this ‘life force’
to know itself better and thus you have our species and others during
each cycle who develop conceptual thinking
and are able to figure this thing out.

Our journey from a conscious level is an adventure of discovery, self-knowledge, and ultimately joy and self-love.

If you’re interested in longevity it is possible to increase the span
your present form/pattern……but an immortal divided ‘you’……NO WAY
All divisions of our collective ‘me’ are transient each cycle this includes
even memories or any pattern.
When we fear death it is only because we
are attached to our current memories but don’t fear we have trillions of
years left in this expansive stage until we contract or ‘rest’ and just as
we embrace sleep each night we will eventually embrace reunion.

Here is one of my favorite websites.. where you can read lots more exciting truths

http://canweevolvenow.wordpress.com/...come-immortal/

[Mikal]

I follow an inner call to search out and eliminate desire. I fear to ever have to die with even one desire unfulfilled. My philosophy is if there is a desire there is also a means to fulfill it. For it would be impossible for a mind or soul to conjure up an unfulfillable desire. Desire and the satisfaction thereof not only arise from the same source, the are indeed two halves of the same whole.

With this being said, I perceive a desire to not to want to grow old or to die.

I am not afraid to die. I even feel as if would miss a valuable experience if I chose not to die, because death is obviously a choice.

Universal Law- things that are always true.

If one can choose to die by suicide, then the power of ones own life is upheld by choice. If life is a choice then the power of our own life and death is in our controlled choice.

Please no accidental death scenarios because a choice was made firstly before the accident took place.

This question no matter how abstract it may sound is the thought that I struggle with mostly these days. My mind has cascaded through several avenues in which the indefinite prolonging of my own physical life would be remotely possible.

So if possible, would the pursuit of such a remote possibility be profitable?

Does anybody else have a desire to not to grow older and older to the end of -Being defeated by the unpursued possibility?

Or should I just make a time capsule as my grave inscribed- Suspended DNA inside- WHEN mankind reaches technological resurrection capability PLEASE REANIMATE ME (I wasn't finished my Theory of Everything yet.)

Does anybody else have a desire to not grow older?

Look to nature as it talks to you! Spring dies into summer, summer dies into fall and fall dies into winter. It is a co-operative, unending process.

Spring is birth, summer is the sap of youth, fall is changes into maturity and winter is graceful growing towards natural death….when the spirit detaches from the use of the physical body.

When mentioning the word suicide, we must always be mindful of public impact and always sensitive to the fact that viewers and posters may have lost loved ones to this multi-dimensional complexity we call suicide. We must not give one anguished soul an easy answer to a way out. We must be responsible to nurturing the will to live; we must see the anguish of others as our opportunity to be stronger, to support with compassion and to give from love for it validates the sheer sacredness of life….

The fact that we only die physically because we are spiritual and metaphysical should not outweigh or overshadow the importance that we are here about life and that the journey is incredibly important to our soul and those we are blessed to love on this beautiful yet complex journey…..


Peace Mikal

[MikeInfinity]

Thanks Melanie and Mikal. I have understood the things you tell me. ... I seek to traverse every train of thought possible, with out fearing the fear of dying, without fearing the thought of having a fear. Is not fear natural? If there ever was an advocate who would speak on behalf of fearlessness, that same advocate would have recognized fear and made a choice and a decision that fear is "not good". Their every action would be a direct act of actually seeking to flee from fear.

In order to truly escape the bonds of sensory living you must react not act. I am an advocate of that thing that stands between fear and fearlessness, its called- "just go with the flow". Accept all things, Believe all things, Hope all things. Zero resistance. Static- like the Tao.
If a person can view his life objectively he would have no cause to change anything about his reactions.
I love and believe in non-violence- yet I had a fist fight on Bourbon St. a few weeks back. A guy was arguing with my older brother the was so big and strong looking it was natural to fear for my brother. I tried to plead with the guy so he decided to include me in the fight cause he thought that me being fearful would some way affect my choice to defend my brother and my self. Not only did I beat him, when he fell I kicked him and when the fight was over the whole experience was enthralling. Like UFC. The part of the fight I enjoyed was the sport. The part I disliked was the violence. My fear subsided with victory.

The last thing I want to be is a young man having fights in the streets and all sorts of people were around undoubtedly appalled by the display of brutality. I don’t want to be a thug. Yet to take actions not to be a "thug" would compromise my ascension and affect my state of staticicity.

My ascension is my only concern in life.

If there is a set cosmic system that cannot be appealed or augmented then it is a finite system of cosmic law and is not Absolute.

If not absolute, then it wasn’t cosmic law to begin with.
That same system would be contrary to the nature of the system we seek. Or at least I seek.

I seek the set of cosmic law that says, " There is nothing impossible, if you want to live forever in your present state, it is in your power. And if you choose to do so, it will not and cannot delay, stagnate, or affect your ascension in any way. You have the power to lay down your life and to take it back up again."

AM I LIMITED IN POSSIBILITIES?

If so, then:
1) free will has nothing to do with cosmic law.
2) all of our choices are illusions that make us feel like we are making choices just to entertain us
3)we are a consciousness sitting in a movie theater watching our lives from a distance with no power to affect anything.

I would be okay with that. Would you???
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Note: to say this is not a reality possibility would instantly make you wrong.
Then, if indeed a possibility, not to draw a conclusion on how you would feel if this is true would be... the folly of the uncontemplated possibility.

[austintorn@aol.com]

Fear can be turned inside out—into excitement!

Say, for example, one has a fear to speak out in public; yet, inside out, it is the excitement of having many listeners attending to what you say, plus they are all naked!

Oh, thou soul, dare to live near the edge;
Brave the walk of the line, balancing fun
There between adventure and misfortune—
For the greatest blunder in life is to
Repeatedly fear that you might make one.

Hail! Lord Byron’s Golden Mean extends:
Let us have wine, lovers, song, and laughter—
Water, chastity, prayer the day after.
Such we’ll alternate the rest of our days—
So, on the average, we’ll make Hereafter!

From its safe subjective place that’s free of fear,
The higher self, our Conscious Awareness, can witness
The strange thoughts and emotions that surface
On the mind, sent there by the subconscious brain.

I fear not death, Heaven, or even Hell—
For death is only life’s natural knell,
And Heaven and Hell are within myself;
The one thing I fear is not living well!

[labelwench]

Hello MikeInfinity,

There presently is, to my understanding, a group of people, globally, who are saving their DNA with the expectations of being cloned and having their memories transferred.

I do not belong to this group, but the Yukon being a small community, one hears of many things, if they keep their ears open.

My point being, there are some persons who are actively pursuing a somewhat similar goal.

For myself, I shall probably accept whatever terms nature offers, that being my present thought in this regard.

Enjoy life, and all that it offers.

Best regards,

Labelwench

[Mikal]

Thanks Melanie and Mikal. I have understood the things you tell me. ... I seek to traverse every train of thought possible, with out fearing the fear of dying, without fearing the thought of having a fear. Is not fear natural? If there ever was an advocate who would speak on behalf of fearlessness, that same advocate would have recognized fear and made a choice and a decision that fear is "not good". Their every action would be a direct act of actually seeking to flee from fear.

In order to truly escape the bonds of sensory living you must react not act. I am an advocate of that thing that stands between fear and fearlessness, its called- "just go with the flow". Accept all things, Believe all things, Hope all things. Zero resistance. Static- like the Tao.
If a person can view his life objectively he would have no cause to change anything about his reactions.
I love and believe in non-violence- yet I had a fist fight on Bourbon St. a few weeks back. A guy was arguing with my older brother the was so big and strong looking it was natural to fear for my brother. I tried to plead with the guy so he decided to include me in the fight cause he thought that me being fearful would some way affect my choice to defend my brother and my self. Not only did I beat him, when he fell I kicked him and when the fight was over the whole experience was enthralling. Like UFC. The part of the fight I enjoyed was the sport. The part I disliked was the violence. My fear subsided with victory.

The last thing I want to be is a young man having fights in the streets and all sorts of people were around undoubtedly appalled by the display of brutality. I don’t want to be a thug. Yet to take actions not to be a "thug" would compromise my ascension and affect my state of staticicity.

My ascension is my only concern in life.

If there is a set cosmic system that cannot be appealed or augmented then it is a finite system of cosmic law and is not Absolute.

If not absolute, then it wasn’t cosmic law to begin with.
That same system would be contrary to the nature of the system we seek. Or at least I seek.

I seek the set of cosmic law that says, " There is nothing impossible, if you want to live forever in your present state, it is in your power. And if you choose to do so, it will not and cannot delay, stagnate, or affect your ascension in any way. You have the power to lay down your life and to take it back up again."

AM I LIMITED IN POSSIBILITIES?

If so, then:
1) free will has nothing to do with cosmic law.
2) all of our choices are illusions that make us feel like we are making choices just to entertain us
3)we are a consciousness sitting in a movie theater watching our lives from a distance with no power to affect anything.

I would be okay with that. Would you???
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Note: to say this is not a reality possibility would instantly make you wrong.
Then, if indeed a possibility, not to draw a conclusion on how you would feel if this is true would be... the folly of the uncontemplated possibility.

Mike our worst fears are conditioned in, every conditioned fear you demolish is the taking back of a small cubit of your own personal power. Natural fear, f...(ear) is about our primal sense of hearing and listening. Postively it tells us that something is threatening in our environment, negatively if it overwhelms you it is paralyzing. If there is fearlessnot..there is fear, nice to let it be healthy and use it constructively.

Thug is a social label created by society and applicable to the the greater collective who deems there must be obedience to social consensus. Standing in defence for your brother is not to be a thug, it is an action usually motivated by honor and valor but of course alot of the collective are blind to this motivation and not seeing you as rising to the occasion actively demonstrating fearlessness as a part of your character....

All things are possible, we have only to understand the concept of polarity to grasp that.....


Mikal

[austintorn@aol.com]

Here's a big fear:

The Infernal Regions

Hellholes hurl thousand light-year jets of fear,
In Centaurus, cross’d the galactic sphere,
Supermassive darkling beasts devour all…
Abandon hope, all ye who enter here.

Oh, and when you revive and get up from the glacier, be sure to look both ways before crossing