String Theory's Mathematical Fright of the 4-D Bumble Bee

[Profpat]

There can be no possible void in real space__Non-Einstein, Newtonian Absolute Infinite Space and Eternal Time...


I AGREE Lloyd. The VOID Is nothing IT IS NOT SPACE. There is no void in real space it's impossible by definition. It's like saying something is nothing or nothing is something. There is SOMETHING our Universe, there is NOTHING the void that which the universe expands into, thus allowing spatial expansion. Something and nothing are BOTH eternal, and required.

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Your logic is invalid, Pat. You can't have your cake and eat it too. Iff eternal be the required state of both science and religion, then the logic dictates it be infinite, as eternal means infinite time/distance. There is no other logic possible within the space time continuum__Period...!

Look at your own logic__It speaks the truth, iff you but listen. It only has one answer__The void is non-sense...

"Field is everywhere in infinite eternal space__Logic dictates it so__Not I...!"

There can be no possible void in real space__Non-Einstein, Newtonian Absolute Infinite Space and Eternal Time...


I AGREE Lloyd. The VOID Is nothing IT IS NOT SPACE. There is no void in real space it's impossible by definition. It's like saying something is nothing or nothing is something. There is SOMETHING our Universe, there is NOTHING the void that which the universe expands into, thus allowing spatial expansion. Something and nothing are BOTH eternal, and required.

[Profpat]

Well I guess you don't like my something/nothing philosophy and you are using Sophism to disprove it. Where does space expand into Lloyd, how is it able to expand if there is no void to expand into. Even NASA answer is NOTHING and then says it can't be addressed.

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Check the logic Pat__It's not sophism or solipsism, as you use__It's sound required mathematical logic...

Well I guess you don't like my something/nothing philosophy and you are using Sophism to disprove it. Where does space expand into Lloyd, how is it able to expand if there is no void to expand into.[Space doesn't expannd__the particles in space travel to greater distances, to the very edge of the light rad decay cone...] Even NASA answer is NOTHING and then says it can't be addressed.

Not, true__That's just a few radical scientists, at NASA, exaggerating the facts, within the true book of knowledge, known to the true scientists and physicists...

[Profpat]

What is the Universe expanding into?

This question is based on the ever popular misconception that the Universe is some curved object embedded in a higher dimensional space, and that the Universe is expanding into this space. This misconception is probably fostered by the <A href="./balloon0.html">balloon analogy which shows a 2-D spherical model of the Universe expanding in a 3-D space. While it is possible to think of the Universe this way, it is not necessary, and there is nothing whatsoever that we have measured or can measure that will show us anything about the larger space. Everything that we measure is within the Universe, and we see no edge or boundary or center of expansion. Thus the Universe is not expanding into anything that we can see, and this is not a profitable thing to think about

From Nasa FAQ:

Note the answer ;

Thus the Universe is not expanding into anything that we can see, and this is not a profitable thing to think about.

I Agree it is expanding into what you can't see, the void. ONLY LOGICAL ANSWER Lloyd SORRY.

[Profpat]

This is an image of space expanding into the void. I made a challenge to Austin and Fredrick to show me an image of space expanding without any place to expand to. So same challenge to you Lloyd.

[Lloyd Gillespie]

I Agree it is expanding into what you can't see, the void. ONLY LOGICAL ANSWER Lloyd SORRY.

That's not logic Pat__That's academics... It's not my fault if all academics is a contradiction unto itself...

This is the truth of rational logical necessity: Iff eternal be the required state of both science and religion, then the logic dictates it be infinite, as eternal means infinite time/distance. There is no other logic possible within the space time continuum__Period...!

Look at your own logic__It speaks the truth, iff you but listen. It only has one answer__The void is non-sense...

"Field is everywhere in infinite eternal space__Logic dictates it so__Not I...!"

[Profpat]

There is no other logic possible within the space time continuum__Period...!I agree "within the space time continuum" I'm talking about The Nothing Outside the system, The Void

Look at your own logic__It speaks the truth, iff you but listen. It only has one answer__The void is non-sense...Again I agree it is beyond the senses it is nothing or NON-Sense

"Field is everywhere in infinite eternal space__Logic dictates it so__Not I...!"Again I agree "Field is everywhere IN infinite ? eternal ?space__I'm talking OUTside of space.
?=Jury still out on this, Maybe.

Best,

Pat

P.S. Picture??

[Lloyd Gillespie]

There exists no outside of space, that's ludicrous__Newton correct/Einstein wrong. Space & time, not space-time(none of Einstein's maths require it to be space-time_fact)... There exists no void, except people's illusion of an impossible void, since the universe has no motional power from the illusional void, thus impossible(against the total conservation laws of physics, when total maths are figured...)__Do the decay math in relationship to the actual conservation laws of physics... If the universe be eternal, which is required by the logic of eternity, being scientifically and religiously necessary to the very mechanics of reality, then your picture is voided. Both science and religion say it must be eternal, yet expanding__So again; Iff eternal be the required state of both science and religion, then the logic dictates it be infinite, as eternal means infinite time/distance. There is no other logic possible within the space & time continuum__Period...!

There is no other logic possible within the space time continuum__Period...!I agree "within the space time continuum" I'm talking about The Nothing Outside the system, The Void

Look at your own logic__It speaks the truth, iff you but listen. It only has one answer__The void is non-sense...Again I agree it is beyond the senses it is nothing or NON-Sense[Beyond the senses if foo foo land__dillusionality...]

"Field is everywhere in infinite eternal space__Logic dictates it so__Not I...!"Again I agree "Field is everywhere IN infinite ? eternal ?space__I'm talking OUTside of space.
?=Jury still out on this, Maybe.

Best,

Pat

P.S. Picture??

[Profpat]

Iff eternal be the required state of both science and religion, then the logic dictates it be infinite, as eternal means infinite time/distance. There is no other logic possible within the space & time continuum__Period...!

Sorry Lloyd this makes no sense to me. The VOID IS OUTSIDE your time space continuum. There is no distance, no time in the Void. There is NOTHING!! further I don't follow your logic of equating infinity with eternity, except both implies never ending.

PICTURE??

Best,

Pat