Time Space & Space-Time

[Casey_deJong]

Why do so many people dismiss time and space as their own entities?
Time has been used for generations as a type of measurement but no one has looked at it as an element. Time in my view is the ultimate source of energy. without it we couldn't see the effects of gravity. scientists dismissed it to hastily i say.
Space is just as ignored it is used to measure distances between objects of mass but few realize that it is a mass of its own. If time and space did not have an effect upon the univers then light would not have a speed it would be instant wouldn't it?
Space-Time as in Space-Time Continueum is finally been given an identity but scientists seem to ignore the fact that Space and Time combined make up the STC. Therfore they must have at one stage even for a fraction of a second existed as seperate entities.
The basis of my theory is that Space Time and the STC all have their own particles, and that the universe is made from combinations of the three.

Everything i have read about sub atomic particles and black holes and quasars has strenghthend my own thoughts on the issue and i hope to share it with you over time as i compile data and thoughts in an easy to read format.
I am not a researcher as i have not the funds or patience but i have a very active mind and plan to use other peoples data to prove my own theories.
Please don't take my word as gospel but if nothing else i should be able to entertain you and even expand your horizons of thought.

Oh and Reply if you want

[quanta07]

Why do so many people dismiss time and space as their own entities?
Time has been used for generations as a type of measurement but no one has looked at it as an element. Time in my view is the ultimate source of energy. without it we couldn't see the effects of gravity. scientists dismissed it to hastily i say.
Space is just as ignored it is used to measure distances between objects of mass but few realize that it is a mass of its own. If time and space did not have an effect upon the univers then light would not have a speed it would be instant wouldn't it?
Space-Time as in Space-Time Continueum is finally been given an identity but scientists seem to ignore the fact that Space and Time combined make up the STC. Therfore they must have at one stage even for a fraction of a second existed as seperate entities.
The basis of my theory is that Space Time and the STC all have their own particles, and that the universe is made from combinations of the three.

Everything i have read about sub atomic particles and black holes and quasars has strenghthend my own thoughts on the issue and i hope to share it with you over time as i compile data and thoughts in an easy to read format.
I am not a researcher as i have not the funds or patience but i have a very active mind and plan to use other peoples data to prove my own theories.
Please don't take my word as gospel but if nothing else i should be able to entertain you and even expand your horizons of thought.

Oh and Reply if you want

Hello Casey,
I agree that time has not been accepted as an entity, that it is very difficult to separate space-time..
I believe that EXPANSION of our universe sustains time itself....
that there is a single math fuction that expresses this.....
The Taylor series function of expansion:
as examined in Article15
http://www.toequest.com/library/article.php?id=015
Shows mankinds view of our universe from within this function of expansion.
Within this expansion function is a definition of time itself, expressed in a MacLaurin series form.
Any point (t) in Linear Time, is the natural log of this series.
Time=ln[1+t+(t^2/2!)+(t^3/3!)+(t^4/4!)+(t^5/5!)+(t^6/6!)+....+(t^N/N!)]
This function defines linear time in our universe, as generated by the function of expansion of our universe.
The preliminary discusion of expansion within the article,
covered the 3rd domain of expansion(euclidean space) and the view from this domain into expansion.
Little discusion was stated about the first two domains of expansion....
Expansion=Volume(t)+SurfaceArea(t^2/2)+........
The first domain states that our universe is a volume of linear time,Vol(t)...
in union with the second domain, a surface area of time,SA(t^2/2)...
within is euclidean space, mankind and thier views of the universe...
The expansion fuction of our universe implies that, We are inside a 'bubble' of linear time,
encased with a 'membrane' of time, a 2 dimensional surface area of time, within is our safe euclidean space...
Our geometric shape of our universe, could be much like M theory states, toroid, conical, basically any shape you might imagine...
I prefer the view of spherical for the moment, but it doesn't matter in what shape you wish to view our universe...
Within mankinds view, we see and use the inverses of 1,2,3,and 4 dimensional time,
comparing them to units of distance to note Velocity,Acceleration,Impulse, and Flux...
We view, from within the 'bubble' the inverses of the subsets of 4 dimensional time,
and we use them in our computations for engineering and other sciences.
When we then consider our genus,
It is the boundary and the void outside our 'bubble', that need consideration...
AND the concept that we are only within ONE 'bubble', that there could be many more...
Supposition
Our universe is not the ONLY universe, it did not exist at first, then an event, linear time passes, here we are...
Over ALL of time, I don't believe it happened ONLY once...
Lets consider that it hasn't happened yet, then we have the fortunate view of many 'bubbles', separated by void...
On the outside of the 'bubbles', A void of only distance, darkness, no light,mass,time,
nothing but infinate distance, within the void.
Then an event, two 'bubbles', close in distance, 'membrane' boudaries momentarily contact...
Within the void of infinate distance, there appears an instance of a point in time,
that an intersection of two 'membranes' at that point, creates a 4 dimension time point...
Within the void, from the point of 'membrane' contact, comes the union of void and 4 dimensional time...
We would now be viewing a big bang within the void, the inital creation of a new 'bubble' of linear time,
encased within a 'membrane' surface area, a new euclidean space, expansion function of spacetime...
The birth of a universe of expansion...a 'bubble' in an ocean of 'bubbles'...'quantum foam'...and the evolution of life...
This view of the genus is generated, from the time domain,(MacLaurin series).
a subset of the Universal Expansion function................q7

[Guille]

Casei,

What is STC? Is it Space-Time Continuum? If the last question is affirmative, then, how can space have a particle, time another, but space-time, even a different one? Space-time particles should be the particles of space and the ones of time. Or maybe, the shouldn't be said to be space-time particles. Anyway, why do oyu count STC as a different entity? It should be so. If it is due to GR, then I must tell you that the effect of gravityt in space and in time is completely different. Actually, it is opposite!

By the way, if time, space, energy and mass are the equal or the same, then, shouldn't the effect of the forces be the same on each? What is the effect then, of gravity in mass? and in energy? do they also curve? in that cas,e how can mass and energy "curve"?

[jnhxxx]

Your question is most interesting. One thing peaks my query ... Why did you use only "Space-Time" in your post and not "Time Space?"

[Guille]

Your question is most interesting. One thing peaks my query ... Why did you use only "Space-Time" in your post and not "Time Space?"

Because I'mnot sure if I understand what that means. Is it the interval between two points, in time, that is time's space. is it that? If not, explain me, please.

And, if not, if time space is another separate entity also, then we have eight total dimensional structures:
particular space
wave space
particular time
wave time
particular space-time
wave space-time
particular time-space
wave time-space

When I use the word wave, it is there to substitude the word continuum. And when I write particular, I mean made of particles.

[jnhxxx]

Hmmm... Thanks. You explained it very well. From your quantum prerpective your definitions appear most correct.

[Casey_deJong]

sorry i havent responded in a while but i have been pre ocupied else where

it is my theoretical veiw only and i have no way nor inclination to prove it being due to my incredible laziness.
If space a non-moving ocean of static particles existed before time it would be empty but still made up of what i like to call the space particle.

Therefore. At the begining of time the only other true constant in the universe, what i refer to as time particals, particles which by their very nature constantly move would have colided with the already existing space particle.

This colision would have caused friction between the particles causing energy which as we know is the genetic equivilent to matter. once matter was formed it brought its own genetic qualities to the universe those of force such as gravity.

To have a source of energy where previously none existed has a strange effect. If you throw a stone into a still body of water you see a force called most comonly the ripple efect. Now if you were to have two types of liquid in the pond such as water below and oil on top and were then to proceed to throw a stone in the ripple effect would show some strange results some water particles would bond to the oil particles if only temporarily.

Now imagine that instead of water and oil we had time and space laying side by side a burst of energy from the friction of moving time against static space and the ripple effect begins.

Energy or force spreads through the universe gathering tremendous speeds and generating tremendous heat causing time and space to bond and become physical matter. Its forces of gravity the only thing which stop the universe from disolving into oblivion, because the universe is still riding the ripple efect the objects of greatist density have been able to trap objects in gravitational eliptical orbits the objects of course being the stars which are a constant chain reaction of time and space partical colisions resulting in property switches between the two explisive energy becoming dense matter and thus being pulled back towards the center of the star begining a chain reaction from matter to energy through heat and then of energy to mater by cooling just enough that the dense gravity can drag it back again.

At the origional source for the ripple effect another property switch also occured time took on space propeties and space became a vacume containing no particles, since its particles became drawn to various sources of planets stars and the like.

We are now left with the static of time an a vacume of space, well almost you see time became a redundant partical as far as a sourse of energy but as the clusters of space particles or "space bassed matter" pass through time while travelling on their orbits or just as they spread out through the universe. Time particles also known as neutrinos have a definite effect on the aging process of planets plants people and all forms of matter. Not to mention that the constant movement feeds the sun and other stars with new time particles to ad to their ongoing particle reaction.

My entire theory of everything revolves around the assumption that the entire universe in made up of only two true elements that of space and that of time

I believe that when science breaks down the entire universe then this is what they will find.:

1T = -1S

time equals negative space

but that is just my theory if you have better one now is the time to share it or prove me wrong until either happens i have to believe that i am correct for sanities sake.

[Guille]

1T = -1S

D you realise that the equation above impplies this one?:

-1T = 1S

[jnhxxx]

[img]images/avatars/Monsters%20Inc/Yeti.gif[/img] Casey What you seem to be advocating is a phenomenum know as ZPE [ Zero Point Energy ]. It's explained in the some of the websites retured by Google listed here:

Calphysics Institute: Introduction to Zero-Point Energy
Zero Point Energy (ZPE)
ZPE - Where Does It Come From?Zero point energy, zpe, aether, ether,
Zero point energy, zpe, aether, ether, over-unity, alien power ...
zpe
Fortean Times - Dr Hal Puthoff
Chaos Converters - KeelyNet - 03/05/00
free energy, ZPE, magnetic Energy, testatika,

I ran Google seaching for "ZPE." It returned numerous sites ---

12345678910Next

[dleviwing]

jnhxxx;
Welcome to TOEquest.
The key to ZPE is the fact that what we call empty space or vacuum, is not void of substance but is itself a physical substance. (ether)
Can you define the nature of this substance and how it functions within our universe?