[Guille]

I am reading philosophy of existence which is a collection of talks and write-ups of the german phylosofer Karl Jaspers.

In it, he states that actually philosophy of existence is wrongly classified to be a branch of philosophy, because he says, at the begining, philosophy was completely about existence and the nature and origin of us and everything. He also states that neither philosophy or science are branches of the other, but two tres which get benefit from the other's soil (metaforicly speaking, of course). He introduces the concept of encompasing, which is the only being that is being itself, but at the same time it is not a being, but the being of all beings which aren't being themselves and try to be so. He (In my opinion) speaks wrongly abou truth, saying that it exists but can't be proven, practised, or developed. He also talks about the imposibility and un-existence of philosophy, and always refers to it as philosofying.

But I do recomend this book to anybody who is intersted in good philosophy, because Jaspers always speaks in a very modest way but with strong and well-based arguments which are dificult to fight back and easy to understand.

[AntonioLao]

one thing about philosophy of existence is to answer the questions: why are we here? what is the purpose of our existence? Is there a meaning to this existence? Is suffering justified in order to live? Why can't any pleasure last? Why pains last forever? Why there are only 5 senses? Is there a sixth sense? Can we live just having the sixth sense?

[fallentodeath321]

Well, there's several ways that these questions can be answered. They can be answered in philosophical views, at a physics view, and at religion views. I chose to base things on religion and fight my side with scientific proof.

Why are we here?

-Philosophically

We aren't here by nature of creation but actually by already being here and finally man developed capacity to become conscious of the things that are around us and we have no purpose.

-Scientifically

We're here by some odd chance of an explosion, 'Big Bang,' and we have evolved from small microscopic living organisms or from something abstract not yet discovered.

- Religously

Our creater saw an empty and dark place and used his power to create art and beauty and give life opportunity to worship him and give life forever peace.

What is our purpose? Is there a meaning to this existence? (Pretty close to the same.)

This qusetion was basicaly answered in the above lists.

Is suffering justified in order to live?

This answer is obviously no, but you wouldn't live a very free life. Mind in toubles and worries of suffering you would just sit there, suffering.

- Scientifically- Philosophically

Obviously if you make poor decisions then you are going to face cosequences. If you don't check the fields for snakes then you're going to probably get bit.

-Religously

You can live a life of morality and be punished only for sinning.

Why do pains last forever?

They really don't. It's just that the greed of man seem to want things always to be good. If you want to live a good life then do so. Don't judge, stay aware of things, don't do things that are going to make people mad, and don't sweat things that don't matter. If you get a little thorn then you've been burdened for life. If you're paysheck has an extra ten bucks big deal it might buy me gas to get to work for two days. The overwhelming amount of good are always covered by one thorn. It's a matter of attitude and primative instinct of greed.

[jim barlow]

The rigid adherence to "God", worse, to a monogod, has been puzzling me no end. What has been and is causing this mental state? Certainly not the existence of above.
I have a suspicion. It is of course in the brain like everything else. But what?
I think it is a "misfiring" gene. By that I mean a genetic reaction to something in the environment (sudden over population?) possibly involving the same gene, capable of a variety of adaptations, one of them being a big daddy in space who is fundamentally insane.
Watching the preparations for the hurricanes I could just sense how close we were to the middle ages if the media hadn't bombarded them with reliable information. I'm sure a lot of them still prayed on their knees!
I am particularly bothered by this Judeo-Christian-Arabic monogod. This one is a killer. I have hardly any trouble with the Greek-Roman-Egyptian parthenons. I even find it helps to understand the world from a certain perspective.

[mkirkpatrick]

Do we want to just exist,or do we want to live,I choose life over existance,what aboutyou?For me the idea of living is to evolve,mentally,emotionally,spiritually,to
become a whole person,and not a fragmented individual,to become whole and
begin to Re-cognise some basics facts of reality,the main one was that I needed
to try and remove myself from the Stagnant pool of exclusiveness,and try and
gain entrance into the river of inclusiveness,we are all one,interconnected,one
living energy,that outworks in so many Forms?As magnets attract and also repel
then so do we!In true and in fact when I hurt you,we are all effected,The power
of one with a inclusive thought,can and does affect the many,why,because we
are one,living energy units outworking our destiny in this outpost of divinity
on this hearplanet.

kind regards michael.

[Guille]

Mike,

to live you MUST exist. There is a problem know, I used to think that everything that lives has a mind and everything that has a mind lives, but this is wrong, because plants and trees live but have no mind. Do they?

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by <<>> Mike, to live you MUST exist. There is a problem know, I used to think that everything that lives has a mind and everything that has a mind lives, but this is wrong, because plants and trees live but have no mind. Do they?

Yes they do
my Amigo,and they are all vastly more aware thanyou or I.All existance is locked
within the consiousness of mind,it goes far deeper than you could Imagine,for there is no such thing as inorganic substances of bodies,stones,minerals, rocks,
and even chemical "atoms" are simply organic units in Profound-Lethargy,There
Coma has an end and their inertia becomes activity!


kind regards michael.
,

[Guille]

Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick Yes they do my Amigo,and they are all vastly more aware thanyou or I.All existance is locked within the consiousness of mind,it goes far deeper than you could Imagine,for there is no such thing as inorganic substances of bodies,stones,minerals, rocks, and even chemical "atoms" are simply organic units in Profound-Lethargy,There Coma has an end and their inertia becomes activity! kind regards michael. ,

WHAT!?

Are you saying that plant's, trees, rocks, or even excrements, not only have minds but are more consciouss than me?

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by <<>> WHAT!? Are you saying that plant's, trees, rocks, or even excrements, not only have minds but are more consciouss than me?

Yes I am,maybe we will exclude the excrement though! what do you say?A gardener would have more useof it though,than he would have for you and me though,agree!Does it offend
your ego to think that a mighty oak,or a plant is more aware than you are?
mind is within all matter,whether atomic.or sub-atomic,intelligence is the very
Hallmark of all manifestation,andthat includes waste-products!




kind regardsmichael.

[Guille]

Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick Yes I am,maybe we will exclude the excrement though! what do you say?A gardener would have more useof it though,than he would have for you and me though,agree!Does it offend your ego to think that a mighty oak,or a plant is more aware than you are? mind is within all matter,whether atomic.or sub-atomic,intelligence is the very Hallmark of all manifestation,andthat includes waste-products! kind regardsmichael.

So you absolutelly agree with Pierre Teilhard de Chardin's view of the world. He believed consciousness was a property of matter itself, and that the matter itself existed because it was self-consciousness. Also he believed in a god as a point omega. I think you would like his philosophy. Anyway, you ahve to explain how consciousness, which is basically electric charges, be in simple matter?