Why the TOE cannot be solved

SimpleKid18 · **Why the TOE cannot be solved -** 10-26-2005, 12:56 AM

I believe that the TOE cannot be solved. The TOE would act as a 'crystal ball' as to what will happen in the future, as it would be able to predict specific movements of matter in the universe if it were solved. But, if everyone knew what was going to happen e.g. where they will be standing in the next 10 minutes, then they would be able to change the 'fate' of what the TOE theory predicts, which would cause huge problems as the natural order of things would be thrown into chaos. The TOE thoery is something that we humans cannot understand fully and never will be able to. Sorry to burst your bubbles

infinity · **Figure-eight TOE -** 10-26-2005, 04:35 AM

Hello,
I believe there is a TOE but it will not be the Newtonian determinism one would hope for. That is, you won't be able to predict everything. However, there will be a mathematical solution based upon a concept that seems to be permiating throughout all disciplines. If you look carefully at different disciplines you would see an overall-arching pattern emerging. In chaos theory it is the Lorentz attractor. In topology theory it is the Mobius band. In twistor theory (Roger Penrose's idea) there is the Robinson congruences. In cosmology it is the torus universe. In eastern philosophy it is the yin and yang. In particle physics it is the eightfold way. All of these theories use a figure-eight in their design. What the deeper meaning of this concept might be is highly speculative. In my book entitled The Theory Of Everything by David Labay located at(http://www.lulu.com/content/166201) I describe this overall concept in great detail but leave the final equation up to the reader to disover what it might be. Look at my preview chapter 13 and then write me back on what you think.

infinity~David Labay

Guille · 10-26-2005, 02:06 PM

Simple kid 18,

Please go and read some philosophy, Descarte would help, and also any english empiricist will do.

Not only that if there is a theory of everything it won't predict deterministically everything absolutelly, neither from past or present, but also that such a paradox of the kind "X determines that in time t event e will occur to agent a, then if agent a knows about X's prediction of that event e, might change the fate, but, this change will also be predicted by X." Of course, this opnyl works if X is a theory that predicts absolutelly everything. And the TOE won't. So next time get informed and also consider all the possibilities before claiming to ruin other's believes.

mkirkpatrick · **It can be understood and solved-some-already-Know! -** 10-26-2005, 06:30 PM

The Toe can and will be solved,some already Know! And some of those who Know,do express this,but alas it often falls on deaf ears!It is not so much the
solving that isthe Problem,The main problem is in the Understanding of it.It will
lend itself to be revealed by any earnest seeker-Who-looks-Within for the Key!
By looking without you will blinded by the many,and fail to see the few!!!
In a nutshell EveryThing is a reflection of you,and You are a refllection of
Everything.very simple,but maybe total understanding of this Fact for Fact it
most surely Is,may take a decade or two,or even a century or two,hope not
though.

kind regards michael.

SimpleKid18 · 10-29-2005, 11:44 AM

So, Guille, what good would the theory of everything be if it didnt predict what was going to happen. It is called the theory of everything because it will be able to tell what has happened, what is happening and what will happen. How can you say what the theory of everything will or wont predict Guille. If you know that, then you obviously must know what the theory is. I do believe that the theory has been solved by some people and they realised the potential (good and bad) and that is why they never told anyone.

SimpleKid18 · 10-29-2005, 11:51 AM

In reply to the number 8 theory, I personally do not think that this is the answer. Of course, the TOE should inlude all the numbers but I think that 8 is on the back burner. My theory is more focused on a different number.

Guille · 10-29-2005, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by SimpleKid18

So, Guille, what good would the theory of everything be if it didnt predict what was going to happen. It is called the theory of everything because it will be able to tell what has happened, what is happening and what will happen. How can you say what the theory of everything will or wont predict Guille. If you know that, then you obviously must know what the theory is. I do believe that the theory has been solved by some people and they realised the potential (good and bad) and that is why they never told anyone.

And I guess you also believe that they were told the secret of the TOE by an extraterrestial being, from an advanced civilisation. An dprobably you aslo believe that they are looking for you, all around the world, because as they have the TOE they can predict everything, so they coudl predict that you know their secret.....hahaahahahahha........or another similar story.

Also, it seems you don't really know what it's all about. Go and look around the threads. Read theories. Go to the polls on "when will the TOE be solved?" and "how will the TOE be?" and you will see that nobody agrees. Some say it's solved, and passing through those that think it will be solved in 25 years, and those who think it will be in 500 years, all the way to those who think that it will never be solved. The TOE doesn't yet exist, for if it would, there woudl be a correct definition of it. If it were philsophical, it woul dbe philsophical. I fit were physical, it would be physical. If it were sociological, it would be sociological. Bu as the true TOE hasn't been found, some say it's any, either, some, none, or all of them.

Have I ever said what the TOE will or won't predict? NO. I've said that it won't be able to predict absolutelly everything, just like it won't explain absolutelly everything. The wrong thing here, I believe, is that of terminological difference. The TOE will be in three parts: basis, process, and conclusions. The basis, will be principles, laws, axioms, that will be able to serve as a starting understanding in all areas of study. The process, will be long, very long, maybe hundred of years, I don't know, but it will be about explaining the phenomena, by these principles. And the conclusions, will be a collection of predictions that can be done upon new principles that will have been developed. This is already happening, it is since the begining of the homo sapiens. Maybe even beforew, with our predecessors.

And by the way, in your paragraph (sorry, but it's NOT an article at all), you stated that the TOE is not possible, but in your reply to my commentyou say it has been done. And, I have a logico-rational mind. So I simply cannot comprehend or understand how on earth someone can be so paradoxical and contradictory as you in these two extracts. So, I won't discuss more about this theme here.

mkirkpatrick · **the solution lies within the mind. -** 10-29-2005, 09:58 PM

A friend of mine said that the solution to the t.o.e. will be in three parts,1Basis,
2Process,3conclusions,well I agree with that,anyone want to argue against!thought not.well lets look firstly at the basis of this theory,I propose that all is alive and that we are the product of mindful ideation,the reason I think this is that I find that I am surrounded by intelligence,by nature,the wonder of a beehive with all those hexigons,which man now uses to constuct,plant life,all around me I see intelligent design,therefore I deduce,that there is a Greater itelligence at work here,thats part of my basisnit will do for this here thread,
2 Process,by sharing with others,listening to their experiences,learning from them,putting together a common thread,all who I speak to admit that there seems to be an intelligent design,some will go no further than that,others will take the next logical step and say that there is a grand designer in whom we live and move and have our being,and stand in awe of that realisation,again that is part of the process but not all.then we come to the last,3 conclusions,what can we conclude from this realisation,one that we are all inter-connected to each other,we are all a part of each other,that we are all the process of mindful ideation,and as that great designer is immortal then so are we.that all is alive that death is an illusion,just another word for change.
and that we all have a bright and hope filled future,and that the secret of the toe lies in the mind,amigo!!Now why would this take many years to work out,the
solution is staring you in the face!!
kind regards michael.

SimpleKid18 · 10-30-2005, 12:10 AM

Are you completely mad boy???

GUILLE- Have I ever said what the TOE will or won't predict? NO. I've said that it won't be able to predict absolutelly everything, just like it won't explain absolutelly everything.

Try reading Descartes or some English empiricists. Your the one being contradictory.
The fact is that no-one knows, not me or you. We just have ideas.

SimpleKid18 · 10-30-2005, 12:19 AM

The idea that we are immortal as you put it, mkirkpatrick, is I believe a fantasy for those scared of death. The bible promises us pleasure in heaven if we are good and punishment in hell if we are bad. The decision comes from how we behave on Earth. Dont you think that the bible could have been invented by some people who had a brainwave and preyed (no pun intended) on the human fears of punishment and pain in an attempt to make peace on Earth???