singularities don't have fish nets to pull

[Tesla]

All energy is positive.

David,

Just an innocent question; You say that no energy is negative, what about neutral?

[dleviwing]

Telsa;
Actually positive or negative is an arbitrary selection of a scale. There are interactions that cancel out the phenomena like charge and thus we use a scale of (+) and (-) to do mathematics. You need to remember that nature did not create mathematics, we humans did.

Neutral simply means that all you have available to you is “Potential Energy”.

[JCarmignani]

Well David,
U are absolutely right, this is what i was trying to explain to our friend MohanC, who insist that black holes have no gravity no order no nothing except for what he called {negative energy} and didnt equate it with vaccum energy which in turn, as u explained to Telsa, can be scaled as negative compared to any other less negative potential.
I think black holes arrange all information coming from the collapsing matter into an ultimately ordered wavefunction that is not nessecerly supersymmetric, to be generated again as somthing...

Regards Joe

[dleviwing]

Joe;
There is a threshold volume at which an object can sustain wave function symmetry. Any volume greater than this threshold will only produce “Harmonic” wave function symmetry. What is viewed as a black hole is far too large a volume to produce a singularity at its core; it is an object of mass and thus is harmonic wave symmetry just like neutral particles so possibly the black holes are nothing more than neutron stars or neutrino stars. An object of perfect wave symmetry would not interact with its surroundings and thus it would appear as a massless singularity even though mathematically it would have infinite mass.

[Mohan.C]

Well David,
U are absolutely right, this is what i was trying to explain to our friend MohanC, who insist that black holes have no gravity no order no nothing except for what he called {negative energy} and didnt equate it with vaccum energy which in turn, as u explained to Telsa, can be scaled as negative compared to any other less negative potential.
I think black holes arrange all information coming from the collapsing matter into an ultimately ordered wavefunction that is not nessecerly supersymmetric, to be generated again as somthing...

Regards Joe

Joe,
I am not saying that black holes don't have energy. But singularities do not have positive energy . And I mean that singularities do not have gravitation. But the matter in a black hole has gravity and it holds its territory. May it be order or disorder. If it is order then it is order because order or disorder again is comparision. I want to know how it would all be so ordered when as I have understood there is very high fluctuations inside a black hole(may be I am wrong if I am please explain). And when light cannot escape the event horizon how can a particle like graviton escape and hold a space ship revolving the star. Unless Einstien's theory of space time curvature holds good.
But may be as dleviwing said singularity has a perfect wave symmetry and appear massless.

Where have you been my friend?We have missed you!

regards michael.

I am too busy. Too much to study. Any way I will slip in whenever I find time.
Regards,
Mohan

[mkirkpatrick]

I am too busy. Too much to study. Any way I will slip in whenever I find time.
Regards,
Mohan

Thanks It is good to hear from you.hope you achieve excellent marks
on your study,take care,my friend,
michael.

[JCarmignani]

Well, thanks guys for the clarifications
I guess now we are begining to connect better
and since this is a very important subject and i am just an amator,
so forgive my lack of full understanding... but i still have a question no one answered yet, and if a black hole is an object of {Perfect Wave Symmetry} as i understood like a neutrino star (i would be very gratefull to read further explination about {P.W.S.}) then what about Hawking's mass radiation? Can we still consider black holes isolated?
And one more question for Mohan, which is, what if these high fluctuations are what defines this order i was talking about?
As for the graviton matter well i think you are right...so far.

Regards Joe

[Mohan.C]

And one more question for Mohan, which is, what if these high fluctuations are what defines this order i was talking about?
As for the graviton matter well i think you are right...so far.

Regards Joe

May be. Fluctuations cause waves. And inside a black hole these waves may be superposing each other and it may have a wave of minimum or maximum amplitude. And this wave may be a kind of arranger of matter inside a blackhole and it may be ordered.
And graviton is just another wave reffered as particle for the simplification. Because I think that when there are particles there is no question of uncertainity as we can know there mass and shape and such quantitative things associated with a particle. And I believe that scientists have in circumstances assumed waves as particles because waves behaved like particles but are not particles. Particle is just an assumption for the behaviour of a wave.