[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by dipayankar For a while stop thinking as a human who knows only a begining and an end. Even the matter that you are made of is recycled. It never had a begining.. only recycled...

That is a good point Dip,I tend to agree with you on this.



regards michael.

[everymansmedium]

Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick How can all be centered,really! regards michael.

Hi Michael:
The center is defined by a measurement in all directions to be of equal length.
Thus indicating the center of a sphere with that length as a radius.

This observation however is a result of what appears to be the expansion of space that results with an event horizon that is generated by the appearance that the edge is moving away at light speed resulting in an end of perception. This can be indicated by a finite number that will indicate this maximum of perceivable distance. This maximum of perceivable distance also defines a maximum amount of time for light to travel this distance. Thus the existence medium is defined by a maximum space that in turn defines a maximum time. This put all observers at the center of both time and space. The eternal HERE NOW. Also note that the finite number that indicates both time and space is ALWAYS THE SAME. It is unchanging indicative of infinity. Thus the finite number becomes infinitely the same finite number.

Below here is a copy of a post to my own blog. You might find it interesting.
John.


Some say that the ideas that I project are nothing but a picture of some fairy land that can only be considered about as rational as “ The Land Of Oz ” As they are the result of imagination. I feel that this is just as rational as what is the result of our universe as seen by a community of physicists.
All of the things that we learn about common sense and the method by which we understand our existence medium so as to survive. Our survival depended on this knowledge since the very beginning.

Now we are told that what we learned about the very basic foundations of our world is no longer valid.
I always thought that:
Things that are finite are not infinite. All things have only one center and at least one edge.
All things that grow get bigger. Acceleration requires an input of energy. All energy comes from a finite source

We have now learned that every one of these concepts has been violated by the basic fundamental understanding of the medium that initially created these concepts as the result of mankind’s very survival in this very same medium for at least 10 thousand years.

These are concepts that are built into the very language that we use to communicate these ideas.

Now we discover that we live in a fairy land, where the observer is always at the center in a place that has no center. The edge moves away from you faster than you can travel toward it, leaving you in the center of a place that has no edge. No matter how fast it expands it does not get any bigger. The dimensionless point of time now will require all the time that there is available in the universe to traverse the universe. The space defines the time and the time defines the space. Both result with a finite number but the finite number is infinitely replaced by a new now that will require just as much time to traverse the universe as the last now. Thus no matter how long you wait the time that is left does not reduce. Likewise no matter how far you travel you still have the same distance to go to get to the edge that is not there anyway. You still remain at the center of both time and space at HERE NOW.

If something can create the universe in the very beginning as something must have if it had a beginning. Then the very same something can continually create a new frame of existence at every NOW. If it can do it once it can do it infinitely so that we are always at the center of both time and space as it is created about the observer at the point HERE NOW.

Fact is by far stranger than fiction. If a person creates a story, it is his story. A story can be owned. If a person finds the truth, it is not his story. The truth belongs to no man alone. This is just another story, my story.
In what new fairy land lies the truth? We must simply continue to follow the yellow brick road to find out. I would not expect anything more rational than OZ to be at the end of this yellow brick road.
John.

[dipayankar]

Well an ellipse has two centres, but since we do not know the shape of the Universe it is difficult to define its center. However I am also of the view that any geometrical figure should have at least one center. By the way, is the Sun the centre of the Solar system??

Originally Posted by everymansmedium Hi Michael: The center is defined by a measurement in all directions to be of equal length. Thus indicating the center of a sphere with that length as a radius. This observation however is a result of what appears to be the expansion of space that results with an event horizon that is generated by the appearance that the edge is moving away at light speed resulting in an end of perception. This can be indicated by a finite number that will indicate this maximum of perceivable distance. This maximum of perceivable distance also defines a maximum amount of time for light to travel this distance. Thus the existence medium is defined by a maximum space that in turn defines a maximum time. This put all observers at the center of both time and space. The eternal HERE NOW. Also note that the finite number that indicates both time and space is ALWAYS THE SAME. It is unchanging indicative of infinity. Thus the finite number becomes infinitely the same finite number. Below here is a copy of a post to my own blog. You might find it interesting. John. Some say that the ideas that I project are nothing but a picture of some fairy land that can only be considered about as rational as “ The Land Of Oz ” As they are the result of imagination. I feel that this is just as rational as what is the result of our universe as seen by a community of physicists. All of the things that we learn about common sense and the method by which we understand our existence medium so as to survive. Our survival depended on this knowledge since the very beginning. Now we are told that what we learned about the very basic foundations of our world is no longer valid. I always thought that: Things that are finite are not infinite. All things have only one center and at least one edge. All things that grow get bigger. Acceleration requires an input of energy. All energy comes from a finite source We have now learned that every one of these concepts has been violated by the basic fundamental understanding of the medium that initially created these concepts as the result of mankind’s very survival in this very same medium for at least 10 thousand years. These are concepts that are built into the very language that we use to communicate these ideas. Now we discover that we live in a fairy land, where the observer is always at the center in a place that has no center. The edge moves away from you faster than you can travel toward it, leaving you in the center of a place that has no edge. No matter how fast it expands it does not get any bigger. The dimensionless point of time now will require all the time that there is available in the universe to traverse the universe. The space defines the time and the time defines the space. Both result with a finite number but the finite number is infinitely replaced by a new now that will require just as much time to traverse the universe as the last now. Thus no matter how long you wait the time that is left does not reduce. Likewise no matter how far you travel you still have the same distance to go to get to the edge that is not there anyway. You still remain at the center of both time and space at HERE NOW. If something can create the universe in the very beginning as something must have if it had a beginning. Then the very same something can continually create a new frame of existence at every NOW. If it can do it once it can do it infinitely so that we are always at the center of both time and space as it is created about the observer at the point HERE NOW. Fact is by far stranger than fiction. If a person creates a story, it is his story. A story can be owned. If a person finds the truth, it is not his story. The truth belongs to no man alone. This is just another story, my story. In what new fairy land lies the truth? We must simply continue to follow the yellow brick road to find out. I would not expect anything more rational than OZ to be at the end of this yellow brick road. John.

[neutralino]

Originally Posted by dipayankar Well an ellipse has two centres, but since we do not know the shape of the Universe it is difficult to define its center.

[size=2]An ellipse has two focal points, but these are not called the centre. Commonly, the centre of an ellipse is the point midway between the two focal points. The reason it is difficult to find the centre of the universe is that there isn't one. It disobeys the cosmological principle to say that there exists a centre of the universe, since this would imply a "special" point in the universe.
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[dipayankar]

Cant there be a special point? The Universe is teeming with special points...black holes, white holes, wormholes etc etc...

Originally Posted by neutralino [size=2]An ellipse has two focal points, but these are not called the centre. Commonly, the centre of an ellipse is the point midway between the two focal points. The reason it is difficult to find the centre of the universe is that there isn't one. It disobeys the cosmological principle to say that there exists a centre of the universe, since this would imply a "special" point in the universe.

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