[Guille]

I think chaos theory, which actually is the exageration and taking-it-too-far form of probabilistic (and statistics too), specially QM physics, can be the solution to the crazy theoretical physics which has been going on for the last half century. I've been thinking for a time that the only solution to probability was possibility, for in many senses they are opposed dualistic concepts. And as you HG said, mandelbrot set is about producing, and the process of production is possibilitation (if it existed as word). That I think is an interesting point.

[Benedict Broere]

HG,
I think the TOE has to account for geometry and mathematics in general, so including the Mandelbrotset, including the laws and constants, etc.
But I'm thinking of the next analogy:

M-formula and iteration - Mandelbrotfractalworld;

TOE and variation - universe, world.

[harmonygirl]

Okay, thanks Benedict, I get it...

[Benedict Broere]

HG,
You see, Mandelbrot himself didn't thought of his fractals as only being a mathematical marvel. He saw it as something deeply revealing of this reality we are part of. Something metaphysical. Just consider, the whole of this world being a kind of fractal, developing in space and time. Only infinitely more complex though, and with TOE staring us in the eye, everywhere we look.

[harmonygirl]

Benedict, that's very poetic! I think you're absolutely correct, Mandelbrot is about becoming which is usually not what math is about, it's usually about equalling. Definitely this is symbolic of our world, evolution (in the non-Darwinian sense) is it's essence...

[Benedict Broere]

HG,
Well, maybe I'm mistaken, but I think TOE is about becoming (be it partly darwinian or not). To me, this M-fractal is. It doesn't live and become. It is. You can zoom in on it, you can do things with colours, iterations, etc. But it doesn't move. While the world does. TOE must account for that. Above Guille mentioned chaostheory. TOE must be something essential on which and out of which this world can be and develope.

[Benedict Broere]

Sorry HG,
I now I understand what you mean - itaretion - becoming - dynamic.
But I see it more in the above expressed way.

[Ur-bit]

Hi,

The Mandelbrot set is just a small part of chaos theory. It’s too bad they used the word chaos for this field of research, because chaos theory is all about generating order. This entire area of science will play an important role in TOE, it will tie in directly with the Holographic approach, a vital aspect of TOE.

Anyway, the most important thing the Mandelbrot set shows us and indeed chaos theory, is that with a finite set of instructions (actually quite small) you can generate an infinite set of objects, complexity. Our universe is the product of a finite set of instructions, as all things are, example, biological organisms. Complexity is manifested from simplicity.

TOE is the search for those few instructions.

Regards, Teric

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by Ur-bit Hi, The Mandelbrot set is just a small part of chaos theory. It’s too bad they used the word chaos for this field of research, because chaos theory is all about generating order. This entire area of science will play an important role in TOE, it will tie in directly with the Holographic approach, a vital aspect of TOE. Anyway, the most important thing the Mandelbrot set shows us and indeed chaos theory, is that with a finite set of instructions (actually quite small) you can generate an infinite set of objects, complexity. Our universe is the product of a finite set of instructions, as all things are, example, biological organisms. Complexity is manifested from simplicity. TOE is the search for those few instructions. Regards, Teric

Thanks Teric,where then is the most likely place to start?Any ideas.
regards michael.

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick Thanks Teric,where then is the most likely place to start?Any ideas. regards michael.

David's and my absolute fundamentals...

regards,