[lodestar]

dear Nobody,

you have to understand, infinity and 1/0 are not exactly the same thing. 1/0 is technically GREATER than infinity, in absolute value. This means it is less than negative infinity and more than positive infinity. Therefore it is the only absolute of existence. It is the exact opposite of nothing. I will not continue to have this argument with you anymore.

You have got to understand, 1/0 is not a boundary, it is an opening, a regal opportunity. 0 is the boundary, not 1/0. 1/0 is the limit of limitlessness. So you see it is not really a limit at all, but a great opening to the greater than infinite beyond, beyond the unknown. More than infinite possibility don't you see? That is what this theory knows. It knows! This theory is about knowing the reality of everything, not denying it and saying it is nothing. Again, I don't see why you wouldn't be willing to accept. It is the greatest possibility afterall, and it is true. So I will no longer argue about it with you. It is too great a thing.

sincerely, lodestar

Originally Posted by Nobody I'm sorry bud, but you're not recognizing the large number of paradoxes created when setting a number other than zero to represent the "absoluteness" of infinity or eternity. And I don't believe that zero is the amount of time in eternity, but that each non-dimensional point in eternity doesn't exist. The term "universe" itself is misleading, being based on ancient concepts of the "one" existence which I'm sure you've noticed is now gaining popularity with modern theorists since the emergence of QM, because infinity can't mix with an absolute - can't be represented by a singular absolute, because it has no boundaries and its net effect is zero, not one. It would be more accurate to call it the nuliverse because that is what it is equal to. So instead of dividing by zero to keep the "one," divide zero by itself to result in an illusory one; an illusory relative functioning of infinite interactions; and a zero to represent the unreachable absolute beyond relative functioning/reality, i.e. the whole. The hole that you say exists at the zero mark, would exist at any other mark - 1, 2, -2, .5, etc. - but it doesn't exist so there is no technical difficulty.

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Originally Posted by Nobody "Just a hair above absolute zero." I don't think you realize what it means to quantize this hair as an absolute quantum. The hair is, in reality, infinitely larger than the entire universe when compared to a string in string theory. Just having fun here, Lloyd.

I agree the quantum is too, when unquantimized, Nobody...

regards,

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by gautam I am not sceptical at all about TOE . There is of course one and only one theory behind the existence of this universe if it really exists. But I would like to draw your attention to an intelligent being like us who is existing at some point inside a huge sphere. He has never seen a sphere from outside. Just with the limitation that he is never going to be in the centre of the sphere by chance nor he can ever reach the boundary of the sphere. Equip him with all the existing laws of science, except the TOE ( lets save that for ourselves). Can he ever define his existence or the existence of his universe?

That is a good question gautam,I think the answer is yes he can,by going within
himself and connecting to its source.

regards michael.

[Eric]

The source allows for ALL, including a TOE.

Connecting on the inside, will reflect the fact the source encompasses all, but is not inside of any.

[gautam]

I agree, the journey from zero to a hair above zero ,is infinite.Zero or a hole in the universe sucks all information within itself, like a black hole. For that matter we can take the universe as zero or a black hole since no information can transcend it.If we imagine that we are out of this universe then its a non existent universe. We are doomed to find out our truth within it, the truth constituted of elements of this very universe. While observing a hair we ,see the hair but not a universe existing between the hair and the small scale infinity which is as big as the universe between hair and the large scale infinity.We in our perception believe that the hair and the end(zero) is right in front of our eyes. Thats perhaps our misconception.
regards
gautam

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Hi Gautam, I would only suggest one investigate the history of Boltzmann's entire thought processes, to entirely understand the forgone thoughts and ideas. IMO, he is the only valid truly classical physicist___the thermodynamic physicist. The absolute infinite macro ground state of phase space is zero degrees of freedom and 360 degrees of eternally imploding thermal matter motion, which just happens to create the micro and macro state phase spaces of finiteness, within the infinite absolute phase space of eternal thermal matter motion. Poincare's conjecture is alive and well___IMO, Boltzmann's box of gas molecules will reconstitute, with enough universal time passage___such as 2*10^137 Hawking radiation/re-radiation years... Science loves to deal with everything except the real absolute truth of total universal decay, and re-constitution. When science chooses to do real and true infinite absolute ground state physics, we may start to make headway___otherwise, science is simply founded on religeous axioms of semi-false ground state mechanics... To be absolutely true, it must conform to the symmetry of all the laws of physics, especially the three major laws of thermodynamics, as Boltzmann already best semi-proved. The truth is, science is still quite incomplete, as this forum quite well informs...

Regards,
Lloyd

Originally Posted by gautam I agree, the journey from zero to a hair above zero ,is infinite.Zero or a hole in the universe sucks all information within itself, like a black hole. For that matter we can take the universe as zero or a black hole since no information can transcend it.If we imagine that we are out of this universe then its a non existent universe. We are doomed to find out our truth within it, the truth constituted of elements of this very universe. While observing a hair we ,see the hair but not a universe existing between the hair and the small scale infinity which is as big as the universe between hair and the large scale infinity.We in our perception believe that the hair and the end(zero) is right in front of our eyes. Thats perhaps our misconception. regards gautam

[Eric]

I agree, the journey from zero to a hair above zero, is infinite.

Since this IS the case, then there's only two choices. Either the journey can't begin and there is no existence at all, or we have to set "universe" aside initially, and take a good look at 0.

What is 0 in its most absolute sense?

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Originally Posted by Eric Since this IS the case, then there's only two choices. Either the journey can't begin and there is no existence at all, or we have to set "universe" aside initially, and take a good look at 0. What is 0 in its most absolute sense?

Eric, IMO, 0 can represent true first state universal physics. The first state universal physics is thermal zero degrees of freedom and 360 degrees of infinite eternal imploding matter motion. This can be backed up by applying all the finite laws of physics, to the infinite absolute matter motion. IMO, the #1 universal law is; All micro and macro phase space state changes are achieved through motion and thermal variations...

IMO, 0, 1, and infinity are all isomorphically identical, in the most absolute sense, and herein lies all the confusion___deffinitions... I think the main problem is exaggerating infinity beyond all mathematical bounds___try thinking in the realm of sensible infinities, at least within necessary and possible realities. By this I mean, if you exaggerate true infinities too far beyond sensible bounds, you end creating an infinite universe, so thermodynamically thinned in matter/mass density and motion, it could never re-constitute itself___this is where infinities become stupid exaggerations. Even infinity has got to make sense to logic, to have any meaning at all___then comes a better understanding of 0.

Regards,
Lloyd