[Lloyd Gillespie]

RP, if you would re-read what I actually wrote, "Absolute, ONE, absolute", is impossible of existing... Equality is an absolutely moot point, unless attached/inferred to more than one..." I was no way inferring one verse, I clearly stated "Absolute, ONE, absolute," and this in no way refers to there not being one universe, nor does it infer anything about multiverse nonsense. Again, the absolute one is impossible of existing. The one universe is exactly what and where we live/exist, and always have and will... Just the "ontic one" is the absolute impossibility... One universe just happens to be many parts, also___eternally...!

Lloyd

Originally Posted by RascalPuff Universe = 'one verse'. More than one universe is a non sequitur, unless the term 'multiverse' is somehow specified? Regards, - RP

[RascalPuff]

Re: TOE and Extraterrestials - Yesterday, 11:01 PM

RP, if you would re-read what I actually wrote, "Absolute, ONE, absolute", is impossible of existing... Equality is an absolutely moot point, unless attached/inferred to more than one..." I was no way inferring one verse, I clearly stated "Absolute, ONE, absolute," and this in no way refers to there not being one universe, nor does it infer anything about multiverse nonsense. Again, the absolute one is impossible of existing. The one universe is exactly what and where we live/exist, and always have and will... Just the "ontic one" is the absolute impossibility... One universe just happens to be many parts, also___eternally...!

Lloyd

Quote:
Originally Posted by RascalPuff
Universe = 'one verse'.

More than one universe is a non sequitur, unless the term 'multiverse' is somehow specified?

Regards,
- RP



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Dear Lloyd:

For the word 'ontic', I have searched The Penguin Publisher's Dictionary of Science, and
the 2,129 page Webster's New 20th Century Dictionary of approximately a quarter million words,
and the word 'ontic' does not appear.

Is it an acronym?
Please tell me what it means.

Regards,
- RP

[dleviwing]

RascalPuff;
Time to update your dictionaries. Pre-1940 copies are out of date.

on·tic Pronunciation[on-tik]
–adjective Philosophy.
possessing the character of real rather than phenomenal existence; noumenal.

[RascalPuff]

Originally Posted by dleviwing RascalPuff; Time to update your dictionaries. Pre-1940 copies are out of date. on·tic Pronunciation[on-tik] –adjective Philosophy. possessing the character of real rather than phenomenal existence; noumenal.

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Dear David:

Thank you (very much).

Best regards,
- RP

[David Maes]

I also believe we're not alone in the universe; but the distances are overwhelmingly large.
I also think panspermia is possible.

There are already discovered lifeforms here in vulcanic lakes etc., they can survive great differences in temperature and the impact when the asteroid is hitting the earth; so it could be possible they could have infiltrated on our planet by asteroids for example.

Some lifeforms deep in the ground don't breath oxygen, they breathe iron. They are extremely primitive.

They could be the origin of our existence.

[Sentient marine]

Originally Posted by David Maes I also believe we're not alone in the universe; but the distances are overwhelmingly large. I also think panspermia is possible. There are already discovered lifeforms here in vulcanic lakes etc., they can survive great differences in temperature and the impact when the asteroid is hitting the earth; so it could be possible they could have infiltrated on our planet by asteroids for example. Some lifeforms deep in the ground don't breath oxygen, they breathe iron. They are extremely primitive. They could be the origin of our existence.

The marvel is that we are here at all. Isn't it just fantastic! seeing as this is about extra terrestrials a view I subscribe to is that if we fully get to understand the quantum world and its amazing possibilities then we do need to consider that we could be our own extra terrestrials.

Causality as we know it says we can not cause an action that exceeds the speed of light and yet entangled particles respond both instantly without disrupting causality. It caused Einstein to describe them as 'spooky at a distance'.

When we discover the means of harnessing time would we know enough to not interfere in our past no matter how curious it is? For those of us now it may be like the Nietzsche scenario where he was sure we just keep repeating our existence.

Now in a link to all time and thought there may be significant pressure on changing existence but given the number of daily choices we face it should be unavoidable. The pressure would be on selecting which of the many choices that are available. The thoughts may be uniform but our actions need not be. We can make a difference.

That is my altruistic thought. And why haven't we seen contact from the future if that is possible. Perhaps it is because intelligence has developed and it is best to be satisfied with what we have and plan clearly for the best that could be. Multi or one, I believe we have one but with a multitude of choices, among them some really good ones so free will is ours to use wisely and is worth the effort.

To travel back and make the slightest change could disrupt everything we have so far achieved good and bad, the areas we have excelled in and those terrible mistakes that may yet someday be remedied when we have this place in order, our beautiful world holds so many possibilities. It is up to us to ensure our children and their children benefit greatly from them.

Cheers

[Ur-bit]

Hi to everyone,

Thank for your comments in relation to my original post. I hope this post isn’t too long, but I couldn't make it shorter.

In my original post I suggest that TOE will provide us with faster then light travel and communication, and an unexpected bonus. But I wonder if what I was trying to express may not have been clear enough. I believe the important bonus will be extraterrestrial contact and FTL (faster then light) travel won’t be the main achievement, like airplanes are not the main reason we travel. And by the way I believe the universe is teaming with intelligent life.

But there’s an interesting catch, FTL technology will thrust humanity into the “universal limelight” this is something we’ll get automatically, contact will not be voluntary. Why do I say we’ll be trust into the limelight, well, because of how FTL works.

How does FTL work? Well, everything in our universe is made up from twelve space-time dimensions we humans directly (naturally) interact with three and though we are not immediately aware of the others, we have the mental capacity to acknowledge their existence and will eventually manipulate them.

As I stated previously, everything in our universe is made of twelve space-time dimensions and the way these dimension are connected to each other is the key. For instance if we start with our three we find that, “let’s say”, our dimension one is connected to our dimension two at a ninety (90) degree angle and dimension two is connected to dimension three, again, at a ninety degree angle.

In other words, our immediate three dimensions co-exist at ninety degrees to each other and in a similar manner the fourth space-time dimension exists at 90 degrees to our three. Though 4-D space is connected to our three in this simple manner, 90 degree angle, the way it connects and we perceive it is very abstract to our normal way of thinking.

Fourth dimensional space is connected to every single point of our three dimensional space. This means every single point in our three dimensional universe is connected to every other point in our three dimensional universe through this fourth dimensional continuum. In other words, all things in our universe are interconnected via this higher (4th) dimension to all other things in our universe. This is the mysterious connection, between a particle here in a laboratory and a particle on the other side of the universe, science has discovered but can’t yet explain.

But there is another part to this. I’ve been talking about space-time dimensions and so far I only explained the spatial connection, but what happens to the time part of space-time? Well,…..time is real as real as magnetism and just like magnetism our brain perceives it in the same manner, abstractly, but because we have learned to manipulate magnetism we ascribe to it a sense of being somehow “real” and because time is still beyond our grasp we have ascribed to it as sense of being none real, yet fundamentally magnetism is as abstract a concept as time. Ask yourself, what fundamentally is magnetism, science has no answer!

In realty time as we know it, as we “feel” it, is linked intrinsically to the scale we live in, or said another way, to the three dimensional space-time continuum (universe) we naturally participate of. Once you step beyond our three dimensional confine, just like space, time also takes on a whole different character, “feeling”, we no longer perceive it the same because it behaves very different and our immediate “new feeling” of it or perception, is that it no longer exist.

But the fact is this thing we call time is still there but it now effects us in a very different manner, we can no longer differentiate between past, present or future. It is like an ever present now. This is not something exclusive to beings, human or otherwise, all things composing our universe (3-D continuum) feel the same effect of “now-ness” when immersed in a higher (4th) dimensional continuum.

In effect there is no time as we know it, just a present, a now. So if we “stumble” into or purposely manipulating space and time and enter this different spatial continuum we can access or get to other places in our universe in, no time (instantaneous) and thru a connection that is already there (the 4-D which connects all points in our three dimensional continuum to all other points in our three dimensional continuum).

This knowledge and the eventual manipulation of space-time becomes available to all sentient beings, once the threshold of TOE is reached. In fact TOE becomes the spring board for total contact whether we want it or not! Why do I say it's involuntary? Read the previous paragraph again, it is saying anything (a message or material/transport) you place in this domain (higher space-time dimension) is instantly available or accessible to any other point in our universe, in other words, to all other sentient civilizations that have cross the threshold of TOE and use this technology. It’s like our radio communications, you speak through a radio and everyone who has the technology can hear you.

And yes, I’m aware of the many unsubstantiated views I’m expressing and I thank you for any feedback.

[David Maes]

On the other hand, I think the circumstances for the preservation of organisms have to be very very right or 'finetuned'.

Bacteria deep beneath the ground, could even survive a tsunami of the earth's crust when a comet hits, but I think we wouldn't.

Bacteria can also be frozen for millions of years and afterwards just awake again.

[David Maes]

To the question whether we're the only intelligent life form in the universe or not, I don't know.
We never really got a signal, did we...

Anyway, this remains a question for me...
I don't know.

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by David Maes To the question whether we're the only intelligent life form in the universe or not, I don't know. We never really got a signal, did we... Anyway, this remains a question for me... I don't know.

Good to see you back online David,hope all is well with you.

Life exists everywhere within this physical universe,we just need the eyes to see thats all!



regards michael.