TOE and Extraterrestials

[Ur-bit]

Hi!

Our universe is extremely big almost beyond comprehension It is said to contain about one hundred billion galaxies; each galaxy is like a miniature universe, it’s estimated that on average one hundred billion stars make up each galaxy. And it is now believed by some astronomers that there could be as many planets as there are stars. Even when the possible number of planets per star is reduced to very conservative quantities, the number of planets in the universe would still be staggering.

The writer scientists Carl Sagan wrote in his book, Cosmos, "There may be a million worlds in the Milky Way Galaxy alone that at this moment are inhabited by beings who are very different from us, and far more advanced.”

To understanding the other impact the discovery of T.O.E. will have on mankind. I’ll ask the reader to accept, one, that there is intelligent life throughout the universe and two, that these intelligent beings have the same built-in natural tendency to explore the unknown, to figure out how things work, change their environment and ask about, ponder the meaning of existence, the curiosity factor.

As they walk the path of discovery they will formulate ideas. At first their ideas will be scattered but eventually they will see order and pattern and they will create theories. They will build new theories upon the old theories. Each time the new and latest theory will have a broader range and swallow the previous theories. With each new theory they would acquire a greater and greater understanding of the universe and their place in it. And as we have, they would soon realize there was a potential to discover some sort of ultimate theory, one that would supersede all others. They would eventually find themselves in pursuit of this ultimate theory and they might even call it the Theory of Everything.

So it is that they will one day stand at the crossroads, the pinnacle of all knowledge. Mankind, our civilization is almost there today, soon we’ll step thru the door. A million years ago another civilization stepped through and yesterday in another distant galaxy it will be another civilization. In the immensity of the Cosmos this may happen everyday or once a year or maybe once every million years, it doesn’t really matter.

In this way the relentless search for knowledge; an inherent characteristic of all sentient beings, eventually brings us all to this one point, T.O.E. And so T.O.E. becomes the point of convergence for all emerging intelligent civilizations in the Cosmos. You may be thinking this is nothing new, that different people should acknowledge and agree on a single idea and your right! This by itself means almost nothing. So they discover T.O.E. and acquire more knowledge and we discover T.O.E. and acquire more knowledge.

(Science has always said even if there are other beings in the universe the possibility of contact is extremely remote. Traveling in our incredibly vast universe at the fantastic speed of light is comparable to traveling at a snails pace and that’s an overstatement.) But what if this ultimate knowledge brought with it an unexpected bonus? What if making contact and breaking this barrier of isolation was part of T.O.E.!

I argue what I believe to be a fact, that the discovery of T.O.E. is the point of convergence for all intelligent civilizations in the Cosmos and one day we will no longer be alone.

[mkirkpatrick]

Many thanks Ur bit for a most refreshing thread starter,you could well have a point there
that maybe the toe will be simultaneosly discovered in several planets at the same time?

[kwich99]

Hello, My name is Carl....unimportant.
I would just like to say that your thought is very insightful. But why stop there? Think of all the inner space that is just as massive as outer space.
Also the infinite number of dimensions that is derived from just a thought of movement itself being the creation of all space and dimensions in any direction or physical angle even the ones that cannot be imagined yet
Movement creates time and space in any dimension.
Gravity itself is a force that moves one object to another just by being opposite of existance.
If we have no white, there wouldn't be black and so on.
If Gravity is a force then so is non exsisitance, it will atraact or repell just as any other force.
If I could travel into inner space, i would hopefully keep going in one direction as defined by laws of physics.
That same with parallel and other dimensions
This seems to me to be all the same fabric of motion that is the driving force all that is or will be or did exsist.
the math is simple.
but since mathmatics do not apply in all dimensions, we only need to find the one we are looking for.
the physics that apply to us is all we can understand
Just a thought
carl

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Hi Ur-Bit, welcome to ToeQuest. Nice post. I hope you're right...

Regards,
Lloyd

Hi!

Our universe is extremely big almost beyond comprehension It is said to contain about one hundred billion galaxies; each galaxy is like a miniature universe, it’s estimated that on average one hundred billion stars make up each galaxy. And it is now believed by some astronomers that there could be as many planets as there are stars. Even when the possible number of planets per star is reduced to very conservative quantities, the number of planets in the universe would still be staggering...

[james l. digol]

in my way of thinking.... TOE can't actually prove the existence of extraterrestial civilizations...i mean it's NOT what TOE is all about...but one thing is for sure...TOE could possibly take us into that "other civilization"....

[RascalPuff]

Dear Ur-bit:
Kudos to your commencement of this thread: TOE and Extraterrestrials.
Isn't what you're saying more an inevitablity rather than a possibility?

Best regards
- RP

[theunify]

Ur-bit is right, when the Toe is discovered it will be what Einstein called "simultaneity", where other civilizations will have discovered the whole thing or peices of it by themselves.
Let's remember the Toe has always existed, we just have to shine it up and magnify it to show others that we are in fact one world in an infinite Universe.

[james l. digol]

so do i "theunify". Ive always believed that everything was unified as far as the fundamental forces are concerned during the pre-BigBang scenario, not just in the theretical sense, but at the mere fabric of reality....everytime i look at the clear night sky, i always have a thought of these stuffs...such as how on earth can we have TOE????you know, its really kinda frustrating!!!and aslo as i look at the stars, their twnklings seem to give hope that TOE is in fact TRUE...if it is, then, perchance,i'd use it to design a traversable, stable, and static wormhole that i could travel through spacetime venturing to find other civilizations out there.......

[MJA]

Hi!



(Science has always said even if there are other beings in the universe the possibility of contact is extremely remote. Traveling in our incredibly vast universe at the fantastic speed of light is comparable to traveling at a snails pace and that’s an overstatement.) But what if this ultimate knowledge brought with it an unexpected bonus? What if making contact and breaking this barrier of isolation was part of T.O.E.!

I argue what I believe to be a fact, that the discovery of T.O.E. is the point of convergence for all intelligent civilizations in the Cosmos and one day we will no longer be alone.

Hi, U-b

If you simply think the universe is united or one, mathematically unified by =, or that all things including yourself are one, unified, equal universe; you will know the truth of everything and not be alone. If you look elsewhere, taking the path of uncertainty, of measure, of inequity, or division, then isolation is your present and your future.
The path of equality is the path to freedom, not of only yourself, but the freedom of everything. Freedom or unity or equality or T.O.E is when you see the universe is one.

Have an equal day,

MJA

[Lloyd Gillespie]

"Absolute, ONE, absolute", is impossible of existing... Equality is an absolutely moot point, unless attached/inferred to more than one...

Lloyd