Glad that Graybeard brings 42 and mkirkpatrick brings 43 to our attention.
We will miss the chance to unmask mysteries if we limit ourselves just to investigate the correct one should be 42 or 43. The greater chance is that both of them are possible clues to decode Reality.
(Of course, mainstreamers will say both of them are useless in scientific thoughts.)
If humans don't relate those tiny traces to inspire us towards TOE, Theory of Everything will never be in sight.
Best Regards. Bottomlander
You are absolutely right there my friend,we must keep an open mind,and follow every
lead to see if it does unearth a piece of the puzzle that will release the TOE.
I was being a little frivilous.
regards michael.
Humilty,coupled with boldness,surprises truth to
reveal herself?
What is all this about the number 42? I don't see any significance like I see in the marriage symbol and yin/yang symbol
Perhaps Graybeard made a joke with 42 (even though unlikely) and mkirkpatrick responded in humour (now sure) with 43.
However, mainstreamers like to overplay figures/data. Now, I like to follow their style and play mathematical tricks/mysteries with 42.
It should be shown as a Descending Progression if people trace back the Origin of Universe, the process is in a descending series: 4, then half of the old stage is 2. The next appearance should be 1. But according to Big Bang Theory, 1(One) or 0(zero) should be replaced by nothingness. So, nothing had been shown in that position. And finally we got 42!
For mkirkpatrick, perhaps he didn't agree with geometric ratio, he just prefered Arithmetic Progression: 4 and then 3 and so on.
First ... I am very sorry but 42 was a tiny joke, but more a reference to a Book, now Movie called the Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy in which a special race of beings build and commission a GIANT computer to solve the mystery of 'Life, the Universe, and Everything' .... the computer tells them that it will take millions of years to solve the puzzle. So they settle down and wait. On the day appointed they approach the computer for the answer. The Computer tells them the answer is 42. of course, this is extremely puzzling and they ask the Computer for more details. The computer informs them that if they want more details they will have to construct an even larger one. This they do, (in the original radio series, then the first book, then the first movie.... But not the latest movie) with very surprising results that involve a little blue green planet in a distant corner of the Milky way. Since then the number 42 has become a bit of a cult number that contains mysterys inside puzzles.
I think that Bottomlander is, very astutely, referring to this surprise outcome and its place in the solving of the TOE.
But my reason for referring to it is as follows:
Perhaps the Yin/Yang
Perhaps I/0
Perhaps the Venn Diagram
Even perhaps 42
all contain the answer to 'Life, the Universe and everything'
But if so, no information can be extracted from such simplified structures. Just as a circle can contain everything within its boundaries and yet can supply no information about anything within it.
A nice logo to put on your T-Shirt, with deep meaning even, but in the end it is just a summation without the workings. it cannot be used productively.
cool bananas ... greg
PS: how do you put pictures in your posts .... whenever I use the attachment tool ... 2 identical pictures appear.
'Blondie says I must hate all Brunettes. I'll try, but if I can't ... I'll love them both' ... graffiti on Tavern wall, Pompeii, circa AD 70.
I'll give you a small example right now. Imagine that if these two (electro/)magnetic circles are spinning, one of them yin and the other yang, then they create the structure of light, and hence ultimately the structure of the universe and life itself. For example, one circle creates the "electric" component of the light radiation as it travels through time, and the path is a helix. We usually think that it's a sine wave but when one considers that the direction of electricty is just a convention and there is also a negative electricity that flows backwards which we don't consider then it's a helix. If you put electricity in the center of the venn diagram you see that it has a positive and a negativie component, just like magnetism and everything else. So the "magnetic" circle creates one helix component of the light radiation and the other circle, the "electric" one, creates the other helix component, each as they spin through time. So you can imagine light penetrating through the very center of the diagram, but imagine that it's shape looks like a double helix, like DNA. So there you see that the structure of light is created by the spinning circles and it is the same structure as DNA. The reason the light is polarized is because the interlocking circles have a definite left side and a definite right side.
Also the accelerating spin of these circles relative to their size determines the course of the expansion of the universe relative to the speed of light. It causes light to stretch and time to expand - all based on gravitational forces but at this level it's just magnetic attraction and magnetic repulsion because at this level gravity and magnetism are unified. The yin is the magnetic ring of attraction and the yang is the magnetic ring of repulsion and when they intersect and begin to spin it's like sex and makes time which is conscious energy aka light in a double stranded helix. So you can think about the interlocking circles as the "wheels of time" that generate the helix and yes they do function just like they look and it's not just a symbol. Symbolism and reality become one at this level. This symbol is the basic structure underlying everything. Why do you think it happens to be that so many advertismenets have this symbol? It's called the mandorla symbol aka the marriage symbol and it's been around for a long time - longer than anybody knows. It's also the exact same as Volantis's aether unit and this thing called the pattern knot that this girl Lynnclaire Dennis had a vision of during a near death experience while baloon riding that she described as "mostly a pattern of light and love."
Hmmmm .... I am not sure I understand your 'simple' example.
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.. POK ..We usually think that it's a sine wave but when one considers that the direction of electricty is just a convention and there is also a negative electricity that flows backwards which we don't consider then it's a helix.
The direction of electricity is not just a convention. A Sine wave is simply a graphical representation of potential that exists between that maximum voltage, zero voltage and minimum voltage.
As any individual Pole of the Generator/Alternator rotor approaches any Pole (lets say North) on the Carcase of the Alternator, conductors (cooper coils) in the rotor are being forced to cut thru magnetic lines of force created by the field coils in the Carcase. Hence the voltage (positive) increases, reaching maximum potential when the two poles are opposite. As the rotor pole recedes away in the opposite direction it approaches the opposite pole (the other end South) of the carcase, its voltage potential now increases in the opposite direction (negative) until these two poles are opposite. Plotting this on a graph gives you first an increase in voltage over time, culminating in maximum then descending, thru zero (no voltage) to reach a maximum below zero (negative). This graph is a Sine Wave. This is called AC. For DC there is no Sine wave. Voltage is unvarying, positive or negative.
There is nothing complicated about this. At least in this simplified explanation, but to engineer it you will need to understand Maxwells equations.
I am not quite with you on how you entangle this with Venn Diagrams or Zen Buddhism and the art of Motorcycle maintenance.
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..POK.. It's also the exact same as Volantis's aether unit and this thing called the pattern knot that this girl Lynnclaire Dennis had a vision of during a near death experience while baloon riding that she described as "mostly a pattern of light and love."
This is good. This is the sort of thing I wish I has said myself. I must admit, I don't really understand it but I wish I did.
Puzzled ... but willing to listen ... Greg
'Blondie says I must hate all Brunettes. I'll try, but if I can't ... I'll love them both' ... graffiti on Tavern wall, Pompeii, circa AD 70.
It's good to talk to you about this Graybeard because you are an electrician with an open and curious mind.
Electricity is more than just electrons
"Electricity" is not made of electrons (or to be more specific, Electric Charge, which is sometimes called "Quantity of Electricity," is not made of electrons.) Charge actually comes in two varieties: positive and negative particles. In the everyday world of electronics, these particles are the electrons and protons supplied by atoms in conductors. Physicists may additionally deal with muons, positrons, antiprotons, etc., but the "electricity" in common electrical devices is limited to protons and electrons.
Because the negative particles carry a name that SOUNDS like "electricity," people unfortunately start thinking that the electrons ARE the electricity, and they think that that protons (having a much less electrical name?) are not electrical. Some text and reference books even state this outright, saying that electricity is composed of electrons. Nope. In reality the electrons and protons carry electric charges of equal strength. If electrons are "electricity", then protons are "electricity" too.
Also Ed Leedskalnin did a number of experiments to prove that electricity has both a negative component and a positive component. Also if you consider electricity at the center of one of these venn diagrams you can easily posit that it has both a yin and a yang component to form the electricity as a whole. So as a matter of principle and a matter of fact electricity has both a negative and a positive component which makes the electricity polarized.
A sin wav is a fluctuation of potential i.e. voltage from positive to negative. A sin wave is also what you get when you cut out one axis on a helix. THat means that our science must be incomplete in some way to make us cut out one of the axis's on each helix in the double strand. I know this because I know that light should have the same structure as DNA because according to my knowledge light and life have the same structure because at the most basic level where symbolism meets reality light, consciousness, energy, and time are all the same exact thing.
Magnetism works in two ways, attraction and repulsion. Read: yin and yang. Everything at the most basic level is made out of attraction and repulsion magnetism. Hence the correlation between everyhing and the marriage symbol and also zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance as you say. You could use 43 to represent the same idea as an asbstraction but 43 is not a symbol like the marriage symbol because an alien could walk up to the marriage symbol and know exactly what it means whereas 43 would just look like chicken scratch. THat is why symbols like the yin yang symbol and the marriage symbol are true symbols because they represent geometrically what they stand for. And what they stand for is called the irony of truth and true paradoxes (that positive and negative can coexist and create harmony rather than destruction, i.e. that 1/0 can be defined instead of undefined.) This yin yang harmony that creates the world was called the coincidence of opposites by Nicolas of Cusa.
POK ... I don't know why you think an alien would understand the marriage symbol? What information does it carry if you approach it on the basis of never having heard anything about it before. At least an Alien could deduce that 43 is a prime number.
Why was the marriage symbol not included on the voyager spacecraft. (I think it was voyager) wheras the Fibonacci number system was. This was purely done in case one of them slammed into an aliens kneecap. I know, I know .... extremely unlikely but tell it to Carl Sagan, not me.
I don't know what you have against Maxwell. Everyone else seems to like him, even Pop Faraday said that one day he would be somebody. The fact is that he sat down and watched everything Old Man Faraday did, Maxwell didn't really know what Faraday was doing, but then again, neither did Faraday. Then he sat over these writings and eventually he came out with an elegant set of equations.
Einstein said he was possibly the most important contributor of all time and used his equations to the absolute exclusion of everyone elses. I use them, I don't understand them all, just some of them.
But, they've never failed me yet !!
What I don't understand is how all this, and all other knowledge, can be deduced from the marriage symbol? I can understand it as an Icon or Logo, and how it can symbolise all knowledge. But without knowing all the knowledge that the Icon represents I don't know how knowledge can be deduced from it
cool bananas ... greg
'Blondie says I must hate all Brunettes. I'll try, but if I can't ... I'll love them both' ... graffiti on Tavern wall, Pompeii, circa AD 70.
Very good questions Graybeard and I thank you so much for the reply. Allow me to explain why the marriage symbol is a geometric symbol as opposed to the number 43 which is a random symbol
If an alien saw markings on a wall that said 43 he would not know that it was a prime number because the numbers 4 and 3 are just abstract symbols of an abstract language the alien doesn't know. In other words, it's just as likely that we would have made a totally different symbol for 4 and a totally different symbol for 3. Maybe on another planet earth 43 is actually written 87 because 8 is the symbol they chose for the number 4 and the 7 is the symbol they chose for the number 3. Do you see what I'm saying? THe symbols are just random.
Now if an alien walked up to a wall and saw two interlocking circles he would say, "aha, two interlocking circles!" So you see, the marriage symbol is not just an artifact of abstraction, rather it is a universal symbol that represents what it stands for and stands for what it represents. In fact, I would be willing to bet that there is a race out there that is already using this symbol and if they saw us using it they'd say "aha, these kids must have discovered the theory of everything!"
So you see, the interlocking circles is a universal symbol that actually looks like what it stands for. Any alien race would look at the interlocking circles and say "that stands for unity"
Let me give you one last example that shows you the serendipity of this whole discovery and how it is a universal symbol. WHen I first discovered my theory I needed to create a symbol to show where positive infinity and negative infinity become unified. I came up with this symbol at that point. SO I came up with this symbol to represent unity on my own. Only later did I find out that this symbol already existed and it was called the marriage symbol. And what can you guess the marriage symbol represents? Unity of course! SO you see, I realized what the symbol meant even though I'd never heard of it before.
Now there is a band called double O that was an old punk band from DC that used the interlocking circles as the symbol for their band. Did they copy the marriage symbol? No, they came up with it on their own serendipitously, just like I did. ANd in an interview when asked what the symbol means what did they say? Eric: Richard came up with the logo and it means unity.
Now there is also an ancient symbol called the mandorla that is the same symbol and what do you think it was supposed to represent? Unity!
SO you see, this symbol has been invented many times throughout history and every single time it means the same thing. Therefore that is proof that it is a universal symbol and would easily be recognized by aliens and in fact is probably being used by them right now. THe symbol of unity is the universal symbol for everything united
Dear POK ..... Your post is very good. It is possible that an Alien may not recognise the number 43, or may just see it as meaningless graffiti. But, you are very intelligent and I am sure you will agree with me that 2 interlocking circles could be also a meaningless graffiti on a wall.
Now I do only say could be, lets just say he/she is not a particularly bright Alien..... you have to grant me that this could be a possibility ..... Yes ??
OK ...... scroll back up to post # 15 ...... check out this picture .... And note that I said it was very subtle ... do it now ..... ... have you done that ... thanks ... now:
There is a symbol that Science believes would be recognised no matter who looked at it from anywhere in the Universe. You may see in it part of your double Helix ...
The subtle picture you just viewed for me contains it.
This symbol(s) is called the Fibbonacci Number System. I will not explain it here ... but I think you should really check out this link ... Because you are obviously on to something that may open a tiny wedge into the mystery of the TOE. I believe that once you grasp the Fibbonacci Numbers, you may be able to explain your marriage symbol much more profoundly, and thereby all of us here will benefit.
At the moment I am a bit lost on reading anything other than an Icon into your symbol. However the Fibbonacci, tho a type of ICON actually contains a HUGE amount of Info that can be deciphered even if you have no preconceived ideas or knowledge.
In fact, I would be willing to bet that there is a race out there that is already using this symbol and if they (aliens) saw us using it they'd say "aha, these kids must have discovered the theory of everything!"
I heartfully agree with you.
I am also willing to bet that "the pair of circles" should be the key symbol sending to extraterrestrials to announce that human has discovered the theory of everything.
It would be a shame to humans if suddenly, we received messages from outer space to teach us the theory of everything. (No one can 100% exclude this case as long as human not yet discovered the theory of everything.)
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