Re: I have the TOE, now what? -
05-19-2008, 12:31 PM
Hi orangefrap and welcome to the forum. I hope you enjoy this site that Robert has provided for us.
As far as "THE BIG TOE"
Theory of Everything, in simple notation: 0 = 1 = ∞
That has already been proposed by different members, and while it may have an element of truth to it, of what predictive value does it have. We have all read where we are all ONE, and that Nothing is Everything, and Reality is Illusion, and Everything is Equal, etc.
Speaking for myself I would like to see something a bit more substantial, in a T.O.E.
Even my girlfriend's toe has substance ( I think ).
Re: I have the TOE, now what? -
05-19-2008, 04:26 PM
Thanks ProfPat for the welcoming and a big thanks to Robert for the forum!
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Originally Posted by Profpat
As far as "THE BIG TOE"
Theory of Everything, in simple notation: 0 = 1 = ∞
That has already been proposed by different members, and while it may have an element of truth to it, of what predictive value does it have. We have all read where we are all ONE, and that Nothing is Everything, and Reality is Illusion, and Everything is Equal, etc.
Speaking for myself I would like to see something a bit more substantial, in a T.O.E.
I've not seen the equation elsewhere but I know the idea behind it is not new. The predictive element has perhaps been the main reason for the quest of a ToE. This of course carries the assumption that the Universe has a predictive element that can be understood in human terms.
0 = 1 = ∞ may not have much use in many scientific fields as it is very general and is seemingly useless. Everything is one... blah blah blah.... but all science and math is only useful by means of what it is applied to. To an accountant the equation would be utterly useless as she would need to balance her numbers and needs a strict framework. Accountants look at world in a very exact and rigid way. However when I pick out an apple at the store I know not all apples are the same, but to the work of an accountant - they are all the same - they are just "units".
There are not many mathematics or scientific fields concerned with qualitative issues but AI is definitely one of them. Although, again, it may not be useful in a predictive sense it does aid the idea of understanding the Universe in any given moment - which is a huge achievement in itself.
Re: I have the TOE, now what? -
05-19-2008, 05:46 PM
Hi o-frap:
I think the universe is very predictive. We discovered that it appears to run on only 4 forces. Because we are able to predict, we have TV, and satelites and lasers, etc.
Now for your accountant analogy, I've posted this introduction before, but here it is again:
( A little personal background. I am an accounting professor at a midwest university, the chair of the department. I do have some limited peer review publications, however, they obviously have to do with my discipline.
Now you may be wondering what an accountant is doing at this forum? I think a T.O.E. can be approached from different perspectives, Physics, Metaphysics, Philosophy, Religion and yes Accounting. In fact it seems like physicist are using accounting terminology more and more.
Also as an accountant you are trained to see the BIG PICTURE, The forest if you will, not just the tree, or the bark. Being conceptual we have representation, left/right symmetry, balance ( equilibrium ) classification, etc.
In fact it was the genius Goethe that had this to say about accounting:
Johann Wolfgang Von Goethe wrote about double-entry accounting in 1796:
"Double-entry bookkeeping is one of the most beautiful discoveries of the human spirit… It came from the same spirit which produced the systems of Galileo and Newton and the subject matter of modern physics and chemistry. By the same means, it organizes perceptions into a system, and one can characterize it as the first Cosmos constructed purely on the basis of mechanistic thought… Without too much difficulty, we can recognize in double-entry bookkeeping the idea of gravitation, or the circulation of the blood and of the conservation of matter." Also it should be noted that " Writing was started due to accountancy. Around the 4th millennium BC " )
I would like to invite you to view my theory An Idea, which is located at: ( http://www.toequest.com/forum/your-t...2803-idea.html ) You'll have to access a PDF file or go to post # 40 on that thread. Any questions or comments can be posted on that thread.
Re: I have the TOE, now what? -
05-19-2008, 08:53 PM
Hi Pat,
You've definitely given me some food for thought. I like the correlations and ideas behind the idea doc. The Universe has beauty at all levels - that is for sure - from the symmetry in double-entry bookkeeping to the spirals in a sunflower. Accounting has definitely given a lot to humanity. Is it not, however, a conceptual tool of abstracts that aids our understanding of the Universe? If it is a conceptual tool of abstracts, would not the abstract concepts always leave details out? If so, how can it then ever be considered complete?
I believe there is a huge element of predictability in our environment that we have managed to grasp and it has lead (and will lead) to amazing discoveries like lasers, cathode-ray tubes and radio transmissions. Can we however take this predictability to the ultimate? Will further discoveries inhibit previous versions of the ToE in much the same way that Newtonian Gravity was never complete (although it is highly useful)? I personally feel the ToE must hold up under the test of time or it cannot truly be the ToE. The more complex it is, the less chance it has.
One thought I love to run through my mind - if you will join me; what if all living creatures had developed much the same but never had the sense of sight. What could we then know of our environment? Would we ever know colour exists? Would we ever know there are stars in the night sky (and would we ever think to search for them)? If you were blind how would you discover these things?
As humans, we have gone a long way to learning weird things about our environment, radiation for instance. How do we know we can know all there is about our environment and how do we know our senses aren't as limited as protozoa in the grand scheme of things? Protozoa may know more about the Universal environment than we could even realise.
You may have something in your idea of balance of positive, negative and neutral. It may also gives us a better understanding of our Universe. I guess the important thing is to keep an open mind and challenge all ideas.
Cheers! o-frap
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