[MJA]

TIME

Is it not true that time is simply another tool of measure.

Is not time only another measured dimension like distance, or weight,
measured in minutes seconds and years, like feet and meters, and pounds and kilos?

Was not time or measure created by man to help bring certainty and order
to a universe of nature found uncertain and unknown?

Has not the certainty or truth of the tools of measure
been found to be only probable at best,
by the vary institution of measure or science itself?

Is that why we have theory rather than truth?


If the above is all true,
that the uncertainty of man created the uncertain tools of measure,
then time or any other tool of measure only compounds the uncertainty of nature.

Is time or measure the man made flaw that obscures the truth?

Is it possible to remove those uncertainties?

Is it possible to experience life without the uncertainty of measure?

What would life be like without measure,
surely man has been there before, haven‘t we?

If possible, would only nature’s immeasurable truth remain?

Is nature the simple truth?

To answer these questions of time, or measure, nature’s truth,
I suggest a simple science or measure experiment:
Try leaving your watch at home on your next day off.
Try a day without time.
Try not to measure or judge anyone including yourself.
Try life without the restraint of time or measure.

Do you see it?
Do you feel it?
Have you found it?
Nature’s truth, nature’s simplicity, nature’s oneness, nature’s equality, nature’s freedom!

MJA

[mkirkpatrick]

Thanks MJA,great thread starter,I see time as an illusion,albeit a very persistant one!
"who said that before"?Evolution is another word for it I suppose,as we unfold.the sequence of unfolding requires the eternal now to become somewhat temporal!



regards michael

[force5]

My perception of time as relates to the 4D description in GR is; The 3D's that are required to describe volume only needs one more factor to apply motion to this volume. I don't think of time as the forth dimension, but, a way to identify the conservation of angular momentum as applies to all that exist in our 3D cosmos.

Best regards;

John

[theunify]

Originally Posted by force5 My perception of time as relates to the 4D description in GR is; The 3D's that are required to describe volume only needs one more factor to apply motion to this volume. I don't think of time as the forth dimension, but, a way to identify the conservation of angular momentum as applies to all that exist in our 3D cosmos. Best regards; John

I think that the Post is a good start but the poster needs help defining practical examples of Time. Watches, and judgements of when to do things are not what Science regards as Time, Watches can be used as simply alarm clocks, which make no reference to any Social Network of Time; I could simply go about measuring how fast I run a mile with my watch rather than figuring out when the best time to start work, A more useful measure of Time is actually related to daylight and the sense of sight or the feeling of being awake.

In that sense a Unified approach to Time is necesary that we can have both a. a general sense how old/young we are and b. a world wide agreement on units of measure for age.

These two arguments seem like repeating the same thing twice but notice that in the future someone living on mars will have difference year length than someone on Earth, so if I were 1 year old on Mars I would be more than 1 year old in Earth years; therefore the Units of Measure must be the same, simply having many difference units of measure does not fulfill Unified Time for obvious reasons.

So in conclusion of this thorough but not extensively researched post; Unified Time requires a Universal Unit of Measure, this would change a few things in our vernacular: for example instead of simply saying I will see you tomorrow, You must say I will see you the next Earth Solar Cycle, but when referring to age or dates, you will use the Universal Unit of measure and leave out all Earthly considerations including the length of the Solar Day.

Am I talking in Science Fiction, probably, but it's supposed to be forward looking, I am not suggesting anyone lives on Mars yet, just that someday...we might have to plan ahead for it.

[Ur-bit]

Hi to everyone,

Some say time doesn’t exist, that it’s non-tangible, that it’s nowhere or that it’s just in our minds, but experiments with atomic clocks demonstrate the contrary. Time is something that can be altered, the gravitational field of our planet alters it and motion also alters it. Because we can manipulate magnetism we say it does exist, so if we can manipulate time then we must admit it also exist!

There are two very important clues handed down to us about time. One tells us where time is and the other tells us how time behave. Herman Minkowski stated, time can only be found in a unified state with space, they exist together. To me this means, no matter what our perceived notions of time may be, time can ONLY be found unified with space, called space-time.

Einstein discovered that gravity is the warping, bending or curvature of space-time. So it is my understanding the all the mass of the universe curves all the space-time in it, in other words, time as well as space is curved, so we should accept what this is telling us, that time is non-linear (curved). Further more I believe time's non-linearity is very special, it's continuous and periodic. I believe time oscillates and it does so between two opposing values, forward and reverse.

Physics needs new ideas, without them it’s dead. TOE especially requires a new model of time. We are trying to solve the mystery of the universe using the same ideas of time that were used by prehistoric man to plant and harvest his crops!

For several years I have been developing a new (philosophical) model of time based on what I have just written, I believe it has great potential and will entertain any serious discussion.

[RascalPuff]

Dear Ur bit:

However the vote may be going for or against time as being real, it gets my vote as being real motion - which some folks maintain (motion) isn't real either.

For that matter there are dilletantes who maintain that space isn't real, either.

Space 'and' Time (space-time) is as real as motion is real, and conversely.

That's my story (and observation) and I'm sticking to it.

Thanks for the post.

- Best regards,
- RP

[MJA]

Just another Question.

Was there time before the first time keeper?

Thanks,

=
MJA

[RascalPuff]

Originally Posted by MJA Just another Question. Was there time before the first time keeper? Thanks, = MJA

_________________

Dear MJA:

There's always been a universe fulla motions of things
(Waves, fields, particles, etc.).
Time = Motion = Time, ad infinitum.
Whether there's any measurement - or other awareness of it - or not.
(Time is as real as, the exemplary dynamics of Andromeda, the tower of Big Ben - or a Cesium atom - also.)

Best regards,
- RP

[mkirkpatrick]

When perceptual interuptions cause reflections within the causal flow
of experienced events this can be wrongly I feel be interpreted as a causal
sequence wrongly I feel called time.



regards michael.

[RascalPuff]

Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick When perceptual interuptions cause reflections within the causal flow of experienced events this can be wrongly I feel be interpreted as a causal sequence wrongly I feel called time. regards michael.

Dear Michael:
Feeling, in this case as well as many others, takes a warm wet spot fulla electro-chemical motion; makes time.

Best regards,
- RP