[melanie]

"There is no evil and there are no evil forces in the world.
There are only people of awareness, and there are people who are fast asleep -- and sleep has no force.
The whole energy is in the hands of the awakened people.
And one awakened person can awaken the whole world.
One lighted candle can make millions of candles lighted without losing it's light." - Osho

[futrethink]

leskey.

well OK, so it's NOT 42.

---That’s the thing, reality is 42. As long as Deep Thought doesn’t get the right/final answer, then everything that makes up existence can continue on, aiding the computer to find the final question and answer. The Vogans didn’t do a bad thing, except for our Earthling/subjective perception. They saved the rest of reality from despair/depression/suicide/madness.
---As I asked you previously, what happens when you get ‘54’? Once you’ve been everything, done everything and know everything, then comes the question, “Now what?”
---Once you know 54 and why evil and good has to be a part of reality and you decide if you are one, the other or accept that you are both and neither, what do you do?

In order to change, that which is "not" right, would necessitate every separate and unique member of humanity acting SELFLESSLY together. (Yes, I see the flying pig too).

---Do you mean the pigs that they ship by aircraft or is it a pig in the International Space Station, in zero g?
---The problem is; deciding on one picture of what is ‘not’ right? Getting the frame and the canvass and the paint together, in general, is possible. The details of what will be in that picture causes the problem, not just for humans, but for what/whoever else, throughout time exists and decides on what is good and evil.
---Getting twenty random people to decide on what, exactly, should be on a pizza is hard enough.
---The final compromise/everyone/everything acting SELFLESSLY together will happen, in the future, just not as most people believe it should.

[Drifter]

"The only difference between
A Rose and a Turd is,
What we agree upon.
And I disagree." ~George Carlin

"I reject your idea of reality,
and substitute my own." ~MythBusters

[Profpat]

well OK, so it's NOT 42. (A favourite of mine BTW). But the Vogons ARE everywhere and wherever they are, they perpetuate that which is "fundamentally wrong."( leskey )


On the cover of my book leskey are written the words;

" DON'T PANIC "

[SB_UK]

Nice post -
- yes I agree.

... ... the root of all evil is essentially money -
but it's a bit more complex than that.

Please check out my ToE and Intro here and a section which I've linked to called a study on evolutionary psychology -
within the science section of ADD Forums (www.addforums.com)

- however forget all of that stuff (the academic theory) for a second (though please visit UCSB to check out its existence) -
http://www.psych.ucsb.edu/research/cep/
University
California
Santa
Barbera

(and no
- my name is not Santa Barbara _UK (SB_UK),
- neither is it SU_UK,
- neither is it Santa Claus (SC_UK ~aka~ SU_CK))

the answer to your question is that there is

---1---
an evolutionary instinct for PHYSICAL wealth (stuff like money, which buys things we can touch etc etc)

---2---
a new capacity which arose at speciation for MENTAL wealth (knowledge)

The sapiens in Homo sapiens subspecies sapiens translates to 'knowing'

---3---
To be human we simply need to realise that the root of all evil at this stage in our evolutionary trajectory is the
desire for PHYSICAL wealth - anything which anchors us in the physical world - anything which we can touch like cars, the sofa, your hedge strimmer
The desire for MENTAL wealth must replace the desire for PHYSICAL wealth
because they're not compatible

- and the reason why it has been so difficult for us - is that the desire for physical wealth is an instinct
which we are trying to excise
- whereas the desire for mental wealth is not yet an instinct.
We need to quell our own legacy instincts and replace them with something better - a new instinct
- which itself will need to be lost at some point later
(but do not worry about this latter part yet - it's a 'cart before horse' logical train).


I've tried to make the idea real easy -
so don't criticise me just yet -
- you don't know enough about the idea to generate meaningful criticism
- there's a pattern to the reaction to all of my posts
- please read the 10 or so posts which I've placed here and then feel free to skewer me into the floor whilst twisting and dancing (between twists) like a manic leprechaun at the annual St. Patrick's day ceilidh.

Originally Posted by an attractive Irish blonde called fiery Nell arh biii on wid 'ya

Incidentally

We need to quell our own legacy instincts and replace them with something better - a new instinct.

-> occurs without conscious intervention -
it's important to remember that we have only had a mind for approximately the last 30,000 years.

Originally Posted by melanie "There is no evil and there are no evil forces in the world. There are only people of awareness, and there are people who are fast asleep -- and sleep has no force. The whole energy is in the hands of the awakened people. And one awakened person can awaken the whole world. One lighted candle can make millions of candles lighted without losing it's light." - Osho http://www.hmd.org.uk/files/1164103265-130.jpg

[futrethink]

---SB_UK.

---Your two links lead to the main sites, but not to the specific points that you wish to bring to the table. If, you were attempting to show a specific point?

an evolutionary instinct for PHYSICAL wealth (stuff like money, which buys things we can touch etc etc) a new capacity which arose at speciation for MENTAL wealth (knowledge) To be human we simply need to realise that the root of all evil at this stage in our evolutionary trajectory is the desire for PHYSICAL wealth

---Each of these can be brought under the generalization of a ‘want’, ‘like’ or a ‘love’ for something.
---‘Want, like and love’ all describe the same objective concept, in relation to how a ‘choice’ is made.

[SB_UK]

Originally Posted by futrethink ---SB_UK. ---Your two links lead to the main sites, but not to the specific points that you wish to bring to the table. If, you were attempting to show a specific point? ---Each of these can be brought under the generalization of a ‘want’, ‘like’ or a ‘love’ for something. ---‘Want, like and love’ all describe the same objective concept, in relation to how a ‘choice’ is made.

what is the root of all evil ?

---a---
evil is bad

---b---
there is no such thing as an objective bad - only subjective bad

---c---
evil is therefore subjective bad

---d---
we evolved -
and using the simplified scheme (which should not be taken as based in fact)

bacteria -> llama -> human being with a vivid imagination

well ... ... the very first llama born to (surprised) bacterial parentage -
almost certainly had an urge to raid University cold rooms for PSF-free DMEM
- and not to behave in a more (what we would now call) llama
-e
s
q
u
e

manner.

---e---
using the answer to the question which you supplied me in your thinly veiled solution to your own question -

in brief

love > like > want

let me transport you (for a second) back to the
llama of ---d---

modern llama
[lama glama subsp. karma (llama)]

... well ... ... the very first llama born to (surprised) bacterial parentage - have you ever looked closely at 'real' nipples?

that very first llama only knew what it 'wanted'
- it knew nor cared for 'like'.

- and not to behave in a more (what we would now call) llame manner

that very first llama only knew what it 'wanted' - it knew nor cared for 'like'.

How things
were to change for our lonely protagonist ?

... ... so (and this is a true story) a llama walks into a pub - and the camel hands him a cheese sandwich which he places in his mouth
- concurrently with the llama wondering why it was that he'd been drawn to push the thing in the camel's outstretched hand into his mouth -

- 'ka
bo{{{boom}}}om'

llama happy smiles
he'd discovered the joy of like

taste buds ignited
- the llama now in relative ecstacy
begins to comprehend 'like'

jumps onto the single humped camel with frothing chutzpah
and creates the first double humped camel in the process -
- and from his new vantage point and to his new friend
- he whispers
the language of 'like' into the ears of the other half of that newly emergent alliance.

poor sweet little llama -
though I smile for your happy discovery

'like'

how I wish I could show you

love !

my love thing

sadly though not ready
sweet llama
you're
just not ready -

... ... give it a few minutes love.

-*- -*- -*-

is that any better ?

If not we can engage the human with the vivid imagination who - it should be noticed - ends this post without having being used (not even fondled) -
- particularly much within context of this post.

is that any better ?

so - my question to you wouid be -
is that enough ?

- or is it the love of a man which you seek ?

Personally I think I've done more than enough.

So far I'm really not having much luck with people on this forum venturing out much of their server-based partition; incidentally - you're blue -
why are URLs so mysterious on this site?

I tell ya' ToE is easy
- but forum specific standards -

no!!!

I am now standing up
- in full body armour with one hand outstretched towards my monitor - as if a policeman commanding oncoming traffic to stop.

Incidentally ... ...
if you're not so great with metaphors - then please disregard this post and do the decent thing
and answer just one question for me

do American policemen dream of British truncheons ?

[Drifter]

W.C. Fields "When the life of wine, women, and song become just a little too much . . ., give up the singing!."

[SB_UK]

Originally Posted by Drifter W.C. Fields "When the life of wine, women, and song become just a little too much . . ., give up the singing!."

... ... fricken get a fricken move fricken on - there's a fricken queue out fricken here.

---location---
WC Field (Glastonbury)

---attributed to---
WC Fields (Glastonbury) upon his namesake upon its namesake

Originally Posted by enrapt Bogdanoditch ~aka~ wcf 'give up the song and dance - quit yur whining and wait will ya' I'm having a most satisfying poo'

The gurgling stream of faeces meandered below WC Fields

(- better known by his nom de plume (incidentally)
WC Fields O'Bush)

Kevin Costner

WCI? fields o'Bush had an I for the ladies

wine women song

and after a moment's conjecture Where C I? fields o'Bush emits -

unless you're female

... ... in which case

you can come and wait inside

part II (highlights)

1.
bird in the bush cubicle

2.
but I showed you mine???

3.
gender differences in dumper trucks.

4.
life is not fair - it is fairer sex.

Originally Posted by Drifter W.C. Fields "When the life of wine, women, and song become just a little too much . . ., give up the singing!."

[Drifter]

"What is The Root of All Evil?"
Misuse of the Free Will


I have often had it asked of me how it is that divinity is in and behind all things, and yet, at the same time there are all the horrible things that take place even in human life: wars, earthquakes, whatnot. These things are but proofs of cosmic activity. It is not the cosmic activity that is to blame; it is we, the channels through whom the cosmic forces travel and work, misdirected by us, by our free will -- relatively free at least by our choice, our choosings: sweet bells jangling out of tune, but they are bells just the same.
Everyone knows that a man who abuses his body will pay for it in suffering and disease. These things exist; and the disease and illness and sufferings are born from the original harmonies, if you please, otherwise there would be no contrast. They do not disprove the cosmic harmony; rather they prove that somewhere along the line somebody, something, has abused the god-given privilege of cooperation with the divine harmonies. When a man so cooperates in fullness, then he is what we call a Buddha, a Christ, or an avatara. But when a man does not so cooperate and persistently uses his free will, born of the divine itself, to make disharmonies where it is his duty to preserve and perpetuate harmonies, what happens? It depends upon the plane where his mind is at work. In any case, if instead of following the upward path he chooses the downward, he goes down and down and down to the Pit. And this simply means the following: just as by continual abuse of your health you can ruin it and get a body which will be diseased, perhaps for more than one incarnation on earth, so with your mind, and so with your will. If you persistently fill your soul with thoughts of disharmony, hatred, evil, you will corrupt the inner fabric of that soul, and it will take on the pattern of your thoughts. You will be a workman shaping your inner self, making your future life to be according to the pattern your thoughts and feelings have given to yourself. The result is that as evil is always constrictive, the inner fabric of you, your free will, becomes less and less competent, more and more inharmonious with itself, weaker and weaker in power and energy, even in imagination and in feeling, because you are constantly becoming more and more constricted instead of widening and becoming universal. The result is that if you persist on this path downwards you will become as low as the beasts. You will have lost your humanity. Nobody will be to blame except you yourself. That is what we mean when we speak of dropping into the Pit. The opposite of this is a continuous growth in faculty and power, by inclusiveness, by expansion, until we become finally divine, cosmic in our minds, in the reaches of our intellect, cosmic in our sympathies, widening with the universe.