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Re: What is the Root of all evil? - 06-01-2008, 04:12 PM

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"Little evil would be done in the world if evil never could be done in the name of good."
Marie von Ebner - Eschenbach
Mike - such an undeniably true Quote.......so does this quotation give you a big CLUE to the answer to the question?
  
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Re: What is the Root of all evil? - 06-01-2008, 04:18 PM

If thought effects physical changes along with thse changes are the chance for dis-ease...some thoughts/memories have emotions...feelings attached to them...but not all...therefore the state of no-mind is least probable to produce any ill efects...
metanoia
IN BRIEF: n.- A fundamental transformation of mind or character. [a transpersonal experience...if so it may be said...]

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There is not one thought that does not effect physical changes in the body....what physical changes does "I am the least" bring about to cause detachment from "lower self" ?
I am the least.... refers to the Eastern Doctrine of The Annihilation of The Ego.
Something few Westerners would/could appreciate. [even though therein lies the key to mankinds suffering and the root of all Evil] imho Ref. "Who Am I"; ~Ramana Maharshi..."I Am That"; ~Nizargadatta Maharaj.

metempsychosis

The transmigration of the soul, whereby upon death the soul takes up residence in a new body. The doctrine is embedded in the Indian notion of samsara, and in the western tradition is especially associated with Pythagoras and Empedocles, and frequently supported by appeals to memories of past lives.

I would direct you to 1 Corintians 15:35-55 NIV if you are so inclined.

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Re: What is the Root of all evil? - 06-01-2008, 04:46 PM

If everyone had the Presence of mind to recognized this as their primary Duty, It would not be necessary for any one human being... to tell another...but then again...maybe we shouln't hold our breathe...because things aren't always what they seem...

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Yes Michael - LIVE and LET LIVE - have you thought about what "let live" fully means? What role does "telling" (tel > let) people how to live play in not allowing the others to live....
  
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Re: What is the Root of all evil? - 06-01-2008, 04:48 PM

Paraphrasing the scarecrow, people with no-mind do an awful lot of talking… ha-ha

Meditation is not what you think.

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Re: What is the Root of all evil? - 06-01-2008, 04:49 PM

THE NEED OF AN EDUCATOR
When we consider existence, we see that the mineral, vegetable, animal and human worlds are all in need of an educator.
If the earth is not cultivated, it becomes a jungle where useless weeds grow; but if a cultivator comes and tills the ground, it produces crops which nourish living creatures. It is evident, therefore, that the soil needs the cultivation of the farmer. Consider the trees: if they remain without a cultivator, they will be fruitless, and without fruit they are useless; but if they receive the care of a gardener, these same barren trees become fruitful, and through cultivation, fertilization and engrafting the trees which had bitter fruits yield sweet fruits. These are rational proofs; in this age the peoples of the world need the arguments of reason.
The same is true with respect to animals: notice that when the animal is trained it becomes domestic, and also that man, if he is left without education, becomes bestial, and, moreover, if left under the rule of nature, becomes lower than an animal, whereas if he is educated he becomes an angel. For the greater number of animals do not devour their own kind, but men, in the Sudan, in the central regions of Africa, kill and eat each other.
Now reflect that it is education that brings the East and the West under the authority of man; it is education that produces wonderful industries; it is education that spreads great sciences and arts; it is education that makes manifest new discoveries and institutions. If there were no educator, there would be no such things as comforts, civilization. 8 or humanity. If a man be left alone in a wilderness where he sees none of his own kind, he will undoubtedly become a mere brute; it is then clear that an educator is needed.
But education is of three kinds: material, human and spiritual. Material education is concerned with the progress and development of the body, through gaining its sustenance, its material comfort and ease. This education is common to animals and man.
Human education signifies civilization and progress -- that is to say, government, administration, charitable works, trades, arts and handicrafts, sciences, great inventions and discoveries and elaborate institutions, which are the activities essential to man as distinguished from the animal.
Divine education is that of the Kingdom of God: it consists in acquiring divine perfections, and this is true education; for in this state man becomes the focus of divine blessings, the manifestation of the words, "Let Us make man in Our image, and after Our likeness."[1] This is the goal of the world of humanity.
[1 Cf. Gen. 1:26.]
Now we need an educator who will be at the same time a material, human and spiritual educator, and whose authority will be effective in all conditions. So if anyone should say, "I possess perfect comprehension and intelligence, and I have no need of such an educator," he would be denying that which is clear and evident, as though a child should say, "I have no need of education; I will act according to my reason and intelligence, and so I shall attain the perfections of existence"; or as though the blind should say, "I am in no need of sight, because many other blind people exist without difficulty."
Then it is plain and evident that man needs an educator, and this educator must be unquestionably and indubitably perfect in all respects and distinguished above all men. Otherwise, if he should be like the rest of humanity, he could not be their educator, more particularly because he must be at the same time their material and human as well as their spiritual educator -- that is to say, he must teach men to organize and carry out physical matters, and to form a social order in order to establish cooperation and mutual aid in living so that material affairs may be organized and regulated for any circumstances that may occur. In the same way he must establish human education -- that is to say, he must educate intelligence and thought in such a way that they may attain complete development, so that knowledge and science may increase, and the reality of things, the mysteries of beings and the properties of existence may be discovered; that, day by day, instructions, inventions and institutions may be improved; and from things perceptible to the senses conclusions as to intellectual things may be deduced.
He must also impart spiritual education, so that intelligence and comprehension may penetrate the metaphysical world, and may receive benefit from the sanctifying breeze of the Holy Spirit, and may enter into relationship with the Supreme Concourse. He must so educate the human reality that it may become the center of the divine appearance, to such a degree that the attributes and the names of God shall be resplendent in the mirror of the reality of man, and the holy verse "We will make man in Our image and likeness" shall be realized. [1]
[1 Cf. Gen. 1:26.]
It is clear that human power is not able to fill such a great office, and that reason alone could not undertake the responsibility of so great a mission. How can one solitary person without help and without support lay the foundations of such a noble construction? He must depend on the help of the spiritual and divine power to be able to undertake this mission. One Holy Soul gives life to the world of humanity, changes the aspect of the terrestrial globe, causes intelligence to progress, vivifies souls, lays the basis 10 of a new life, establishes new foundations, organizes the world, brings nations and religions under the shadow of one standard, delivers man from the world of imperfections and vices, and inspires him with the desire and need of natural and acquired perfections. Certainly nothing short of a divine power could accomplish so great a work. We ought to consider this with justice, for this is the office of justice.
A Cause which all the governments and peoples of the world, with all their powers and armies, cannot promulgate and spread, one Holy Soul can promote without help or support! Can this be done by human power? No, in the name of God! For example, Christ, alone and solitary, upraised the standard of peace and righteousness, a work which all the victorious governments with all their hosts are unable to accomplish. Consider what was the fate of so many and diverse empires and peoples: the Roman Empire, France, Germany, Russia, England, etc.; all were gathered together under the same tent -- that is to say, the appearance of Christ brought about a union among these diverse nations, some of whom, under the influence of Christianity, became so united that they sacrificed their lives and property for one another. After the time of Constantine, who was the protagonist of Christianity, divisions broke out among them. The point is this, that Christ united these nations but after a while governments became the cause of discord. What I mean is that Christ sustained a Cause that all the kings of the earth could not establish! He united the various religions and modified ancient customs. Consider what great differences existed between Romans, Greeks, Syrians, Egyptians, Phoenicians, Israelites and other peoples of Europe. Christ removed these differences and became the cause of love between these communities. Although after some time governments destroyed this union, the work of Christ was accomplished.
Therefore, the Universal Educator must be at the same time a physical, human and spiritual educator; and He must possess a supernatural power, so that He may hold the position of a divine teacher. If He does not show forth such a holy power, He will not be able to educate, for if He be imperfect, how can He give a perfect education? If He be ignorant, how can He make others wise? If He be unjust, how can He make others just? If He be earthly, how can He make others heavenly?
Now we must consider justly: did these Divine Manifestations Who have appeared possess all these qualifications or not? [1] If They had not these qualifications and these perfections, They were not real Educators.
[1 Divine Manifestations are the founders of religions. Cf. "Two Classes of Prophets," p. 164.]
Therefore, it must be our task to prove to the thoughtful by reasonable arguments the prophethood of Moses, of Christ and of the other Divine Manifestations. And the proofs and evidences which we give are not based on traditional but on rational arguments.
It has now been proved by rational arguments that the world of existence is in the utmost need of an educator, and that its education must be achieved by divine power. There is no doubt that this holy power is revelation, and that the world must be educated through this power which is above human power.
(Abdu'l-Baha, Some Answered Questions, p. 4)

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Re: What is the Root of all evil? - 06-01-2008, 04:59 PM

The mind can't turn dualism into non-dualism, but it doesn't have to
because dualism is only an ''appearance''

There was never any real separation or paper that was cut into two
both the scissors and the separation are fiction.
So there is no need to join because the split was only ''apparent''

As a result, all methods that suggest bringing the pieces back together
only strengthen the belief in the illusory division.

So if there is only ONE- Being ''every-thing'' and ''no-thing''
Oneness complete, and perfect without lack or want or desire.

Why would IT want to bring about evil on IT-self ?
Why would IT do that. ?

IT would do that ...Only as a ''story'' A tale told by a fool, full of noise and fury, signifying nothing.

In other words evil is a figment of your imagination.
I mean who in their right mind would want to harm them-self.
Does this compute with the brain that got too big??



Oneness is the key to dissolve duality
and move us into the greater reality.

''Those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind''
  
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Re: What is the Root of all evil? - 06-01-2008, 05:01 PM

Drift...lets change the word "metempsychosis".....meta means "to measure" and psychosis means "severe mental illness"...neither the annihalation of the (ego) or lower personality or the soul transmigrating through death is about mental illness...both would be divine mysteries not about our modern day preoccupation with the myth of mental illness and neither is it about morality but it is a biological internal process and mystery....

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Re: What is the Root of all evil? - 06-01-2008, 05:04 PM

Paraphrazing Forst Gump...IT happens!

In the no mind there are no "people".

There is as you say lots of talking.
Just nobody doing the talking.

Though the Masters will be found wherever their duties call them:
in the crowded marts of men, in the desert places, at sea, on
land, indeed anywhere, yet it is a fact that for much the same
reason that astronomers go to higher parts of mountains in order
to obtain a pure atmosphere and an air freer than usual from the
heat-waves of the earth's surface, or as religious communities
from the earliest times and in all countries choose quiet places
in the mountains for their centers: so, are we told, do these our
Elder Brothers select for their mystic seats certain parts of the
Globe which are most untouched by the miasmic influences
emanating from great cities, as a rule choosing them far from the
thickly inhabited lands where are the soul-stupefying astral and
physical influences which work against training in spiritual
development.


As for elves...I carry two around wherever I go...one on each shoulder...both are jabberwhacky... collective psycho-babble...

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Re: What is the Root of all evil? - 06-01-2008, 05:07 PM

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I would direct you to 1 Corintians 15:35-55 if you are so inclined.

[for the less fortunates who do not own said works...the verses... can be Googled...please forgive me if that comes across as condescending...as that... is not the intention]

Peace, Love and Equanimity.
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BibleGateway.com is particularly good for locating words/verses in the Bible.

1 Corinthians 15:50 states:

"What I am saying, brothers, is that mere human nature cannot inherit the kingdom of God: what is perishable cannot inherit what is imperishable."

Does this mean we cannot expect improvement of human nature unless we are dead?
  
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Re: What is the Root of all evil? - 06-01-2008, 05:15 PM

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BibleGateway.com is particularly good for locating words/verses in the Bible.

1 Corinthians 15:50 states:

"What I am saying, brothers, is that mere human nature cannot inherit the kingdom of God: what is perishable cannot inherit what is imperishable."

Does this mean we cannot expect improvement of human nature unless we are dead?
Within us is not mere human nature...the body contains the soul...it is sacred...the psyche is sacred....

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