[Drifter]

The fruit was the bauble...which would give her what her ambiguous heart desired.
Reenforced by speculation and/or contemplation...entertaining what might be called the concept of "free will"...or choice...
Conceptual overlay.


Oh dear!

Originally Posted by Tina What was Eve thinking? (it is related in the story) Drifter I really want you to look at this......there is something she actually thought - an idea she had about the fruit.........

[Mikal]

Originally Posted by Drifter TWO WOLVESOne evening an old Cherokee told his grandson about a battle that goes on inside people. He said, "My son, the battle is between two "wolves" inside us all. One is Evil. It is anger, envy, jealousy, sorrow, regret, greed, arrogance, self-pity, guilt, resentment, inferiority, lies, false- pride, superiority, and ego. The other is Good. It is joy, peace, love, hope, serenity, humility, kindness, benevolence, empathy, generosity, truth, compassion and faith." The grandson thought about it for a minute and then asked his grandfather: "Which wolf wins?" The old Cherokee simply replied, "The one you feed."

Let us say the evil wolfe is the ego/lower personality...the good wolf is the higher self....a battle ensues within...transcendence.."Cain Kills Able" the higher self dissolves down around the lower self...

peace Mikal

[Drifter]

I'm with you Dear...or rather I thought I was!... Did I miss something?...
D.

Originally Posted by Mikal Drifter...having been posting lots of comments getting lost in the shuflle..look for them...I am in this discussion..would like you to know and understand my viewpoint... peace Mikal

[Mikal]

Originally Posted by Drifter I'm with you Dear...or rather I thought I was!... Did I miss something?... D.

Drift...I have posted so many comments I have lost track...don't know if you have caught them all....this thread is moving rapidly...chuckles


peace Mikal

[Drifter]

Originally Posted by Tina Then Judeo/Christian religion upholds many words of men as the words of God. If God does not "speak" for himself isn't this going to always be a problem?

For who Tina?...
Not for those who are Awake...

Peace, Love and Equanimity,
D.

[Drifter]

The "deliberation"...is the contemplation and or second thought altering what was intuitively inheerently known as "God's Word" "Do Not eat from Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. She entertained her "self", gave audience... to the serpent...in the 'audit'orium[garden] of her mind. The thought gave rise too...or motion to...the action...She enlivened it...Be and it shall BE.
Thought begets words, beget deeds, begets habits, begets behaviour, begets character, begets destiny...begets "His" story...&"Her"essay...

Originally Posted by Tina Yes I have read widely on the above subject matter and related matters s.a. the Ebionites......but my concern here is how the biblical story is told.....there is an account of Eve's deliberation before she decided to eat the fruit...it is significant in relation to answering the question of "what is the root of all evil? The archetype is helpful for our examination.

[Mikal]

Eve is the allegory of "conscious awakening" the realization of true nature

peace Mikal

[Tina]

Originally Posted by Mikal Eve is not an evil allegory...she reached for intelligence first and led Adam there... peace Mikal

Sorry if I gave the impression that Eve was an allegory for Evil.......She is firstly to me a character with a very significant role in a human Drama.

You say she reached for intelligence - what gives you that idea? Adam and Eve are shown to be "intelligent and rational" before the incident. And Eve is shown to form a cogent argument justifying eating from the tree:

4 "You will not surely die," the serpent said to the woman. 5 "For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil." (remember this is a lier speaking) 6 When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it.

Access Eve's accessment of the tree in view of the prohabition and the warning that they will be condemed (original Hebrew translation) if they eat it.......

[Mikal]

Yes you will surely die Tina...its called 'transcendence' its raising the serpent power up the spine to open the eye of the mind...the 3rd eye...the minds eye...seeing good and evil before your very eyes...realizations, awareness..understanding the world and culture you are in..knowing your both a physical and spiritual being.....

peace Mikal

[melanie]

Nature, ya just can't stop it, can ya ?