[Mikal]

I never did believe in continuing to beat a dead horse after its already dead....neither do I find it satisfying to attempt to have a conversation with those who live by others' thoughts...so I'll leave you now to your ponderings...

Best to you both Melanie and Drifter

peace Mikal

[Drifter]

Originally Posted by Profpat I stand behind those words Drifter, as one ignorant Son of a Bitch to another.

This cantankerouness in you has been festering for some time Brother Pat...

You see yourself as in this world, only I am in it but not of it....that's our only difference...

That's the lesson Pat we are here to dis-cover.

Therein lies the ignorance.

One of perspective...



Self to Self...
D.

[melanie]

Originally Posted by Mikal I never did believe in continuing to beat a dead horse after its already dead ....neither do I find it satisfying to attempt to have a conversation with those who live by others' thoughts...so I'll leave you now to your ponderings... Best to you both Melanie and Drifter peace Mikal

Then don't converse.....simple isn't it.



''stop singing and dancing and You are already dead" -- JK



peace.
m.

[Drifter]

Originally Posted by Profpat I stand behind those words Drifter, as one ignorant Son of a Bitch to another.

Isn't that a rather somewhat misappropriate use of the word "ignorant" professor?

Isn't profanity simply "ignorance" trying to express itself?

[Drifter]

Originally Posted by Mikal I never did believe in continuing to beat a dead horse after its already dead....neither do I find it satisfying to attempt to have a conversation with those who live by others' thoughts...so I'll leave you now to your ponderings... Best to you both Melanie and Drifter peace Mikal

[Profpat]

Drifter:

Love the best you can, and God's will, will be done.

Best to you Drifter, I hope you find peace.

Pat

[Drifter]

Originally Posted by Mikal I never did believe in continuing to beat a dead horse after its already dead....neither do I find it satisfying to attempt to have a conversation with those who live by others' thoughts...so I'll leave you now to your ponderings... Best to you both Melanie and Drifter peace Mikal

The root of all evil is pleasure. ~

Pleasure and release ~Plato

The main release theme concerns the philosophers release from the preoccupation with the body-having constantly to satisfy its needs, only to find them recurring a short while later. In the background lies the notion that earthly pleasures are just the stisfaction of needs or needs themselves. There can be no satisfaction without the initial need, so pleasure and pain are linked, often observably linked, and assuming that the strength of the pleasure is in proportion to the strength of the need that has been felt, it is futile to pursue a balance of earthly pleasure over pain. The philosopher must free himself from this purposeless alternation of pain and pleasure, illustrated by the example of Penelope's weaving - undoing by night what she had woven during the day. [Holding oneself accountable] The philosopher pursues this freedom during this life in so far as it is possible for a man, and indeed much of the message of the Phaedo is for us who live this life, suggesting how best we might fulfill our intellectual goals here and now. It is not merely the immortality of the soul which would lead us to follow the writer's advice.

However, Plato must have been aware that without some life after death Socrates' own goals in life could look just as vain as that of the profligate who nurtures nagging desires merely for the sake of the pleasures of their satisfaction. At least the profilgate has led an active life; what has the philosopher been achieving? Why struggle to acquire knowledge and virtue, if these are both terminated as a result of one's earthly conduct: conduct which one had undertaken in the name of knowledge and virtue?

It's your "Republic"...
Make of It what you will.

Best Regards
Peace Mikal
No Greater Love.
D.

[melanie]

Originally Posted by Profpat Drifter: Love the best you can, and God's will, will be done. Best to you Drifter, I hope you find peace. Pat

Drifter is at peace.

The sun rises every new morning.

''Bringers of the Dawn''

i don't struggle to get beyond THAT horizon.

i am the least

[Drifter]

Originally Posted by Profpat Drifter: Love the best you can, and God's will, will be done. Best to you Drifter, I hope you find peace. Pat

We're both waves of that One Ocean, we have no seperate existence, as the wave has no seperate existence, that does not arise from within That.

We simply have a mind that alludes us to believe that way. It is very seductive is it not? The Dance of Maya.
You are simply entranced by Her, while, I am not.



Tat Tvam Asi
Thou Art That
Peace is our Essential Nature
All else is relative.
I Am That I Am.
I have never been other than That.
I only appeared to Be.
As I still Am, nothing more than a figment in your imagination.
D.

[Profpat]

Here is a different response, to ponder, regarding the root of all evil, and in line with Toequest philosophy:

Title:
Expanding Space: the Root of all Evil?

Authors:
Francis, Matthew J.; Barnes, Luke A.; James, J. Berian; Lewis, Geraint F.Affiliation:
AA(Institute of Astronomy, School of Physics, University of Sydney, NSW 2006, Australia), AB(Institute of Astronomy, School of Physics, University of Sydney, NSW 2006, Australia), AC(Institute of Astronomy, School of Physics, University of Sydney, NSW 2006, Australia), AD(Institute of Astronomy, School of Physics, University of Sydney, NSW 2006, Australia)