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Re: What is the Root of all evil? - 07-07-2008, 10:26 AM

Words will forever fall short of the once attained... attainment... which the experience of transcendence[Gnosis/Awakening]... by Grace alone... bestows.

It, if-so-it might-be-said, is an ineffable and etheric rapture the like a mind/man has never experienced...

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Re: What is the Root of all evil? - 07-07-2008, 11:51 AM

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The root of all evil is nourished by the waters of selfism...self-righteousness...

The "Root of all Evil" stems from the seed [self- posturing] of the "i/me" germination/ emanation/animation]...food for thought.,...inside a"jumping-bean/seed" is a procreating "worm"...not unlike our minds...

The Parable of The Sower? Johnny Apple~seed?


Peace, Love and Equanimty...
"PI" ed pipering...into the well and the catedral...
Drifter [peering mystically...and by way of metaphor and similes offering apples to any/all]
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Re: What is the Root of all evil? - 07-09-2008, 01:28 PM

"Condemnation wthout investigation is the height of ignorance." ~Albert Einstein

Stillness =Peace

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Re: What is the Root of all evil? - 07-09-2008, 03:48 PM

Hey Mr. Drift,

Rational people never condemn without investigation. For example, removing all thoughts does lead to a sense of rapture and a sense of Oneness, so the investigators monitoring of expert meditators noted that the disappearance of the sense of the self boundary and the sense of self identification were due to the quieting of those centers responsible in the brain.

This is not to say that it is still a super feeling, even a feeling that so much feels like a proof of a Truth.

As for beliefs that by their very nature claim that evidence is not even conceivable or findable, then there can be no investigation and so there is a large multitude of such beliefs of what 'could be', as they are invisible.
  
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Re: What is the Root of all evil? - 07-09-2008, 07:01 PM

The First Ennead...First Tractate:The Animate and the Man:
The First Ennead... Eighth Tractate: The Nature and Source of Evil
The First Ennead... Ninth Tractate: 'The Reasoned Dismissal

AND TOWARDS the intellectual-principle what is our relation? By this I mean, not that faculty in the soul which is one of the emanations from the intellectual-principle, but the intellectual-principle itself [divine-mind].
This also we possess as the summit of our being. And we have it either as common to all or as our own immediate possession: or again we may possess it in both degrees, that is in common, since it is indivisible—one, everywhere and always its entire self—and severally in that each personality possesses it entire in the first- soul [ie in the intellectual as distinguished from the lower phase of the soul].
Hence we possess the ideal-forms also after two modes: In the soul, as it were unrolled and separate; in the intellectual- principle, concentrated, one.
And how do we possess the divinity?
In that the divinity is contained in the intellectual-principle and authentic-existence; and We come third in order after these two, for the We is constituted by a union of the supreme, the undivided soul—we read—and that soul which is divided among [living] bodies. For, note, we inevitably think of the soul, though one undivided in the all, as being present to bodies in division: In so far as any bodies are animates, the soul has given itself to each of the separate material masses; or rather it appears to be present in the bodies by the fact that it shines into them: It makes them living beings not by merging into body but by giving forth, without any change in itself, images or likenesses of itself like one face caught by many mirrors.
The first of these images is sense-perception seated in the couplement; and from this downwards all the successive images are to be recognized as phases of the soul in lessening succession from one another, until the series ends in the faculties of generation and growth and of all production of offspring—offspring efficient in its turn, in contradistinction to the engendering soul which [has no direct action within matter but] produces by mere inclination towards what it fashions.



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THAT SOUL, then, in us, will in its nature stand apart from all that can cause any of the evils which man does or suffers; for all such evil, as we have seen, belongs only to the animate, the couplement.
But there is a difficulty in understanding how the soul can go guiltless if our mentation and reasoning are vested in it: For all this lower kind of knowledge is delusion and is the cause of much of what is evil.
When we have done evil it is because we have been worsted by our baser side—for a man is many—by desire or rage or some evil image: The misnamed reasoning that takes up with the false, in reality fancy, has not stayed for the judgement of the reasoning- principle: we have acted at the call of the less worthy, just as in matters of the sense-sphere we sometimes see falsely because we credit only the lower perception, that of the couplement, without applying the tests of the reasoning-faculty.
The intellectual-principle has held aloof from the act and so is guiltless; or, as we may state it, all depends on whether we ourselves have or have not put ourselves in touch with the intellectual- realm either in the intellectual-principle or within ourselves; for it is possible at once to possess and not to use.
Thus we have marked off what belongs to the couplement from what stands by itself: The one group has the character of body and never exists apart from body, while all that has no need of body for its manifestation belongs peculiarly to soul: And the understanding, as passing judgement on sense-impressions, is at the point of the vision of ideal-forms, seeing them as it were with an answering sensation (ie, with consciousness) this last is at any rate true of the understanding in the veritable soul. For understanding, the true, is the act of the intellections: In many of its manifestations it is the assimilation and reconciliation of the outer to the inner.
Thus in spite of all, the soul is at peace as to itself and within itself: All the changes and all the turmoil we experience are the issue of what is subjoined to the soul, and are, as have said, the states and experiences of this elusive "couplement."



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IT WILL be objected, that if the soul constitutes the We [the personality] and We are subject to these states then the soul must be subject to them, and similarly that what We do must be done by the soul.
But it has been observed that the couplement, too—especially before our emancipation—is a member of this total We, and in fact what the body experiences we say We experience. This then covers two distinct notions; sometimes it includes the brute-part, sometimes it transcends the brute. The body is brute touched to life; the true man is the other, going pure of the body, natively endowed with the virtues which belong to the intellectual-activity, virtues whose seat is the separate soul, the soul which even in its dwelling here may be kept apart. [this soul constitutes the human being] for when it has wholly withdrawn, that other soul which is a radiation [or emanation] from it withdraws also, drawn after it.
Those virtues, on the other hand, which spring not from contemplative wisdom but from custom or practical discipline belong to the couplement: To the couplement, too, belong the vices; they are its repugnances, desires, sympathies.
And friendship?
This emotion belongs sometimes to the lower part, sometimes to the interior man.

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Re: What is the Root of all evil? - 07-09-2008, 07:13 PM

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Hey Mr. Drift,

Rational people never condemn without investigation. For example, removing all thoughts does lead to a sense of rapture and a sense of Oneness, so the investigators monitoring of expert meditators noted that the disappearance of the sense of the self boundary and the sense of self identification were due to the quieting of those centers responsible in the brain.

This is not to say that it is still a super feeling, even a feeling that so much feels like a proof of a Truth.

As for beliefs that by their very nature claim that evidence is not even conceivable or findable, then there can be no investigation and so there is a large multitude of such beliefs of what 'could be', as they are invisible.
If you read "Power vs. Force" by Dr., & Ph.D. David Hawkings... A. 'Hidden Determinants of Human Behavior'...there is an experiential/empirical way that you/anyone can "Know" whether what you hear and/or see is worthy of any continued investigation...

[check it out...Chapter One ; Critical Advances in Knowledge... before you buy it, I found it, of all places...in a used book store]

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Re: What is the Root of all evil? - 07-09-2008, 07:33 PM

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Hey Mr. Drift,

Rational people never condemn without investigation. For example, removing all thoughts does lead to a sense of rapture and a sense of Oneness, so the investigators monitoring of expert meditators noted that the disappearance of the sense of the self boundary and the sense of self identification were due to the quieting of those centers responsible in the brain.

This is not to say that it is still a super feeling, even a feeling that so much feels like a proof of a Truth.

As for beliefs that by their very nature claim that evidence is not even conceivable or findable, then there can be no investigation and so there is a large multitude of such beliefs of what 'could be', as they are invisible.
Belief is like watching a High-wire artist with a Wheelbarrow at a circus and 'believing' he knows what he is doing and that he also understands certain 'things' which obviously you do not...Faith, on the other hand is like...jumping into... the Wheelbarrow...

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Re: What is the Root of all evil? - 07-09-2008, 07:42 PM

Faith is like jumping into a wheelbarrow into the unknown and supposed. Lots of wheelbarrows have been proposed throughout the ages, as well as what happens when you leave here. They all 'knew'.

Thanks for the book suggestion; hope to come across it. There is also stuff like it, as well as what you posted about soul; however, as you agreed with Fredrick, if you really did agree, then, you know, … such methods are like, well, it's hard to say, since I don't want to cause trouble, but incorrect.

Here's another approach right up your alley without having to disprove (condemn) all reality through your investigations:


SOUL — Spirits Of Unconditional Love

SOUL is a proactive life strategy, still in the idea stage (suggestions are welcome), about how to live life blissfully. SOUL employs unconditional love of others and the understanding of their motivations to prevent emotional upsets from occurring, living in the now where life really is, and using a higher consciousness instead of the lower ones. However, if the motivations are very much irrational, then not a lot of sense can be made in either dierection, or at least no all al once.

When we operate from our soul, our higher consciousness, and give its unconditional love, we become safe and free from fear and vulnerability, for our conscious awareness is the audience that witnesses of the dramas and traumas that play on our minds.

We may be used to operating from those lower levels of consciousness that have to do with the endless securing of possessions, the seeking of more and more sensations, and the constant gaining of control through power seeking, all of which are not ultimately satisfying because they can never ever be enough.

In our personal relations we can learn to put ourselves in the place of others and avoid some of our emotional upsets by sympathizing with their motives, if they can at all be comprehended.

We can thus bring peace and harmony to ourselves and those around us instead of mirroring their moody behaviors and spreading them to others. Now, true, that toxicity can be involuntarily contagious, so then one might have to go a distance away.

Rather than wearing blinders and interpreting the world in bits and pieces and thereby losing it, we can learn to see the bigger picture. We can learn to live in the here and now, the only place where life actually happens.

Also, negatives can be turned into positives. Fear can be replaced by the excitement of a new opportunity; hurt feelings can become a reminder of where our love and caring went, anger’s energy can be redirected toward solving the problem. Happiness will reign and continue, turning into bliss.

Life can be happily accomplished through unconditional love, being fully present for each moment, and seeing the larger reality of life. We can then harmonize our energy by going with the flow of all the energies around us instead of fighting the current and suffering.

Low level emotional suffering will be no more, having been replaced with a higher level awareness. We can absorb life with an awestruck reverence for its overpowering beauty. Living becomes more exhilarating and heartfelt than anyone ever dreamed of; life’s music before this would then be seen as a child’s toy flute in comparison to a symphony.

We will live as S.O.U.L.s, the spirits of unconditional love, free of inner turmoil and its ill effects on us and others. There will be fewer and fewer actions by another that can disturb us, no matter how disturbed they be in themselves.
  
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Re: What is the Root of all evil? - 07-09-2008, 07:56 PM

wow Austie...this is so beautifully expressed and so true to what I call having attained inner peace and calm...I have possessed it since the moment I felt my soul which was so indescibably beautiful I was left in complete awe of life....


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