[Tina]

Originally Posted by Lloyd Gillespie On pure nature's level, evil does not exist. On man's level, evil certainly does exist. So where is the root, at man's level? .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. ..........The evil is of the fake-ego-priests', not the native Shamans, from all over antiquity___East, West or wherever... Lloyd

Lloyd its 4:23am Australian EST - Deal with this one after a good sleep.

[Tina]

Originally Posted by unwritten in the beginning was the word and many other words soon followed, "evil" was probably one of the earlier ones maybe if the word had been introduced later, sometime in the middle, or early-late,

Yes EVIL was the first EVIL word.

[N0B0DY]

I don't think there are all that many sorts, Tina. If I refer the average person to someone like Richard Kuklinski, Hitler, Stalin, etc., they are sure to label them as evil. Though I would label them as sick in the head, which brings us to genetic, parental, and social influences.

The above three factors I would suggest are the cause of actions that would result in a concept such as evil. Only the mind can turn a sinner into a saint and a saint into a sinner.

If you then ask, what is sin? I would say whatever opposes inner conscience - lying, stealing, murder - as opposed to not knowing the difference between right and wrong, which is the definition of insanity.

[unwritten]

Originally Posted by Tina Yes EVIL was the first EVIL word.

yes,
and before the word,before language,
or would it include all symbolic representation of reality?
before language, my thoughts must have sounded a bit different,
without words, to re~present the feeling,
thoughts and concepts are difficult to
transmit, to another or to myself,
(nearly impossible except for accomplished mimes
and highly verbal receptive audience...)

(back then)?
in the hypothetical survival mode,
pre-language,
if a fierce and ugly tribe attacks us,
we naturally fight back or fight
for survival...
no time to think (in words)
barely enough time to respond in actions...
cavemen were zen?! cool

fast forward

and this applies to addictions as well,
if addiction is an urge with accompanied internal dialogue
to flesh out the addiction,

then without the word,language, dialogue
internal or external,
it's just an urge...

i need a drink!

[Fluent Piffle]

Originally Posted by Tina According to the article Lakshmi Tatma has 80% chance of surviving the operation she has just undergone. Despite the questions we can ask about this - lets hope she is able to recover from the surgery and continue smiling. I know you see us having "split psyche" - what does this mean actually? [WHAT KEEPS THE "CONCEPT" OF EVIL ALIVE]

Hi Tina, yes, let's hope she continues to smile.

'Split psyche' refers quite simply to our split from the Natural world. I think this has caused us psychological grief! If you think about the billions of years it took for the evolving organism to reach the point of Humans, it is quite a radical leap to, more or less suddenly, consider ourselves 'separate' from the rest of Nature.

I think this may have been because we were not particularly adept at survival in the 'wild'. There are creatures with better eye-sight, longer claws, faster legs. There are better swimmers, and the newly emerging 'birds' with their 'miraculous' powers of flight. We were just weak! - And probably being eaten out of existence! All this is enough to force a new kind of survival technique to appear, and that is our imagination. This could also explain why we still suffer from an 'inferiority complex', which we like to pretend is 'superior'.

Imagination can save us, and be a 'good' thing, but just look at the 'evil' it can do, also!


pif.

[melanie]

unwritten wrote .. actually that sounds funnybut he didn't write that

fast forward

and this applies to addictions as well,
if addiction is an urge with accompanied internal dialogue
to flesh out the addiction,

then without the word,language, dialogue
internal or external,
it's just an urge...

i need a drink!



hi .. addictions hey!
the only addiction i've had is for love cos without that .. we're goners ..'IT' goes if it's not watered and nurtured ..
Now going back to primordal nature .. perfectional urges the natural intelligence of the urge .. amazing stuff
is my belly full, or do i need to eat and drink more, that is the one question to all our answers.

melanie.

[unwritten]

Originally Posted by melanie unwritten wrote .. actually that sounds funnybut he didn't write that fast forward and this applies to addictions as well, if addiction is an urge with accompanied internal dialogue to flesh out the addiction, then without the word,language, dialogue internal or external, it's just an urge... i need a drink! hi .. addictions hey! the only addiction i've had is for love cos without that .. we're goners ..'IT' goes if it's not watered and nurtured .. Now going back to primordal nature .. perfectional urges the natural intelligence of the urge .. amazing stuff is my belly full, or do i need to eat and drink more, that is the one question to all our answers. melanie.

so maybe some have an addiction to evil,
which would be an addiction to the internal narrative,
the internal narrative could be a false self,
the false self is evil,
back to Tina's
idea that one must find the true self,
>where evil does not reside?

[melanie]

Originally Posted by unwritten so maybe some have an addiction to evil, which would be an addiction to the internal narrative, the internal narrative could be a false self, the false self is evil, back to Tina's idea that one must find the true self, >where evil does not reside?

Hi,
The identity with a false self is addictive because without the idea of a personal self there is no person and there lies the evil, but the true-self is no-self which is consciousness in awareness,
so yes tina's idea is valid in that [evil does not reside in pure consciousness] it is neutral .. not wanting, needing, or lacking ..it is when the false self is identified as being the real self .. all hell breaks loose [evil]

melanie.

[force5]

I first asked myself if there is a fundamental cause of all human action.

Then I remembered a post I made sometime back addressing freewill vs. pre-determination. I am convinced that everything is pre-determined. If this happens to be the case, then evil as well as all other human action are a result of the following:

1. To feel better now.
2. To feel better in the future.
3. To avoid feeling worse now.
4. To avoid feeling worse in the future.

If you tell me this is not true, I'll feel bad at some point in the future because it will hurt my feelings and that would be an evil thing to do.

But, if you do, I'll eat some ice cream and feel better.

John

[Tina]

Originally Posted by Fluent Piffle Hi Tina, yes, let's hope she continues to smile. 'Split psyche' refers quite simply to our split from the Natural world. I think this has caused us psychological grief! .............All this is enough to force a new kind of survival technique to appear, and that is our imagination. This could also explain why we still suffer from an 'inferiority complex', which we like to pretend is 'superior'. Imagination can save us, and be a 'good' thing, but just look at the 'evil' it can do, also! pif.

This "split psyche" is what I call the "split instinct". The human is an anomaly in that it is governed by two primary motivators "emotion and intellect". It is these that cause us to be "free willed". All other organic life is governed by one unified motivator - "instinct" its "will" is automatically TRUE to being what it IS.

Under instinct an organism can only be true to itself and does not try to bring about what it is not...it does only what is necessary and has no concept of good and bad...yet lives its life to the fullest.

We are essentially creative - but we unfortunately have created ideas of "good and bad" that have brought about much pain and suffering in the amoral natural world. Throughout this forum I have been saying EVIL is the defacement of life.

[WHAT STOPS SPLIT INSTINCT/SPLIT PSYCHE FROM ACHIEVING LIFE]