[melanie]

LIFE IS PRECIOUS .. LETS NOT FIGHT ANYMORE


Come join the dance

It is, of course, a sad situation when we find ourselves
dancing just to reach the end of a dance. In its purest
form, dancing is movement for its own sake and does not
have a destination. It has no other reason for being, other
than its expression in the present moment. The purposeless
essence of dancing is an often-used metaphor for life
or the way it is lived, as here in a poem by Rumi.

Dance, when you’re broken open.
Dance, if you’ve torn the bandage off.
Dance in the middle of the fighting.
Dance in your blood.
Dance, when you’re perfectly free.

The Divine, appearing as the dance of life, is known in
India as Leela. Leela is the Self at play through the dynamic
rhythm that finds expression in the act of creation.
It expresses as this multi-faceted manifestation, from the
stately rotating galaxies deep in outer space to the rapidly
spinning particles at the subatomic level; from the Earth’s
trajectory around the sun to the vital activity in the cells of
our bodies; from the soaring flight of the eagle to the moth
flitting at the candle’s flame.

This vibrant, pulsating display of energy has no purpose
beyond itself, and in this very purposelessness lies its
infinite delight. To the one hearing this music, it extends
an open invitation to realize the ever-present flow that is
going on, to simply go with it and surrender to its causeless
joy. When this invitation is accepted, it becomes plain
as the nose on your face that any step taken to get closer
to one’s true Self is one step too many. In the surrender to
this ‘trip the light fantastic,’ life leads; and every step is
from the Self and by the Self. Here, the borders between
the dancers blur and dissolve until only the dance remains.
The journey is the destination, and all is happening of its
own accord. One is forever starting afresh and forever
arriving at the warm intimacy of one’s true home. The
free person who feels this rhythm simply happens, just
like the stars, the space, the sounds, and the silence.

…where past and future are gathered.
Neither movement from nor towards,
Neither ascent nor decline.
Except for the point, the still point,
There would be no dance,
And there is only the dance.

T. S. Eliot (1888-1965)

[Fluent Piffle]

The fool will laugh at you but the wise man will understand.

But it is only the 'fools' who think they are 'wise'...

So, wise one, please explain how one thing can also be a 'paradox'?


pif.

P:S: So much for 'I don't quote other people', eh?

[Tina]

Originally Posted by PoPpAScience Ah! But, I said 'feel' and 'view'. Evil is only relative to the viewer. In the Mind of one who commits, what may seem in the Minds of others to be Evil, may seem just.

Allen,

OK you were speaking in 3rd person!

We have discussed in forum that objective evil is anything that defaces life!

So "Be Good" - what does that mean to you?


[WHAT IS EVIL IN YOUR VIEW?]

[Tina]

Originally Posted by unwritten people live, people evil people die, people no evil, a live is evil LiVEViL, and without "e" we'd liv_ and only be _vil E, and all other vowels, including I are evil, let's return to peaceful times of consonants only

I think Ancient Hebrew left out vowels!!!

But I refuse to accept that vowels are the Root of all Evil

[Tina]

Originally Posted by unwritten follow up to the evil vowel theory http://www.hebrew4christians.com/Gra...roduction.html

"Ths lvs t mch scp f msntrprttn nd tht hrts my hrt."
So repeat after me:

I-O-U-A-E
wll jst hve 2 B.

[Ravi]

This is a very long thread, I should ack that I have not read all the posts but here is my opinion anyway.

First of all how do we define what "evil" is? As you have already mentioned, what one thinks as "evil" may be thought otherwise by somebody else. With no well agreed upon definition for "evil" we cannot prove any answer to the subject of this thread to be true or false. We first need an axiomatic framework (like the math) to address such questions precisely

The next difficuly lies with "root cause". Can the human mind really know the root cause of anything at all? Let "X" be the root cause of "evil". Then what is the cause of "X"? One may say "X" did not require a "cause", it always existed... but then how do we prove it?

Ravi

[Tina]

Originally Posted by Ravi ....With no well agreed upon definition for "evil" we cannot prove any answer to the subject of this thread to be true or false. We first need an axiomatic framework (like the math) to address such questions precisely The next difficuly lies with "root cause". Can the human mind really know the root cause of anything at all? Let "X" be the root cause of "evil". Then what is the cause of "X"? One may say "X" did not require a "cause", it always existed... but then how do we prove it? Ravi

Welcome to Toequest Ravi - soon others will great you - and you will find yourself experiencing many weird and wonderful ideas.

Your summary of topic is appreciated.

As a general axiom for me EVIL is anything anti-life. EVIL is reverse of "LIVE" or "LIVE AND ALLOW TO LIVE".

I believe it is safe to say that the human (X) "caused" evil to exist in the sense that nothing else, except for the human, operates according to the fundamental principles of good and bad...Even the religious idea of Garden of Eden - Adam and Eve were warned not to eat of that tree of "KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND BAD - LEST THEY DIE"

What is the connection between "knowledge of good and bad" and EVIL (the defacement of Life).

[Tina]

Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick The "idea" of being "apart" from the whole,fosters self-centeredness,which in turn feeds the ego which results in me-ism,which is the breeding ground of evil. regards michael.

Me-ism - what in the individual really underlies the production of such "ideas"

[ MICHAEL - TRY AGAIN]

[Tina]

Originally Posted by Fluent Piffle That would be the 'structurers', then..... Why do we let the irresponsible convince us of their 'ability'? - We are also 'they'. pif.

Yes the survival of the Roaman Catholic Church in the face of all the Evil it has perpetrated of (s.a. inquisitions) is one example of the "irresponsible" in power.

My answer to why the irresponsible can convince lies in people's fundamental trust and belief in ideas of "Good and Bad". Misplaced indeed!

[melanie]

Originally Posted by Fluent Piffle But it is only the 'fools' who think they are 'wise'... So, wise one, please explain how one thing can also be a 'paradox'? pif. P:S: So much for 'I don't quote other people', eh?

pif i don't know how many times i've repeated this but here we go again ..

the paradox of opposites is in the concept of the word paradox itself
even ONE thing cannot exist so there had to be the mirror effect ..
all of creation and the universe is one whole body ..
one eternal awareness ..it's a dream an illusion ..
but for that illusion to be known it had to reflect itself ..
just like you pif can't see yourself until you look in the mirror ..
so really all of life nature etc.. is a reflection of the one consciousness
giving the appearance of two .. so this is where we get the paradox ..
it's all ONE .. appearing as two but WE are only a reflection of the ONE .. it's a mirage ..
so all opposites like .. up /down .. hot /cold good /evil
they are just ''one and the same'' two sides of the same coin
there is no more evil in the world than there is good
we just imagine it by labeling it so because we might say
that is bad because it isn't good but that is our perception of it
for example what one person would see ugly another person
might see it as beautiful .. it is only perception
in reality it does not exist until you name it ..all things are connected ..
nothing is ever good or bad .. it's just the IS-ness of this life /dream
in our conscious awareness ..
when we feel separated from the whole we will separate all things
and feel disconnected ..there is just ONE causeless cause ..
reflecting as us .. THE MANY ..

pif, i hope this helps you understand what i'm trying to say ..
if not i hope you find all the answers you are looking for ..

take care
love and peace

melanie..