[Tina]

Originally Posted by Profpat Hi Tina; How about desire. Austin's will would also be similar, to desire. Pat

Well 'desire and will' certainly are powerful forces behind evil (see your own comments on Catholic Church history). But 'desire and will' are equally forces of good too.

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[everymansmedium]

2 choices: GREED + EXCESS
The force results in a basic duality. One side is the constant that defines the material existence. The other defines the constant that results with being and life. It has nothing to do with wanting. It is a natural pitfall to respond to the opposing pole if you get too close. We interface to this existence medium by way of our body. The body is material. The consciousness is the result of the I AM. This we all SHARE. There is only one consciousness. What separates us as individuals is DATA.
( genetic data ) + ( learned data ) = ( character data)
Life is ONE SINGLE ORGANISM. It is the image of the divine force that we are created within. When we eat and or drink, we eat of the body and drink of the blood.
We must respond to the material side only to maintain the body/interface, in doing so we are in close proximity to the opposing pole. Like the black hole if we get too close we fall in.
There is no evil except for the negation of live. Hence the reverse of live is evil. = live|evil.

The idea of greed, when hosted by a being can be toward non material things like
love/lust, eating/gluttony, attention/ham, power/Godhead, The word here is (((excess)))
You might want to consider that single word as the root. But truly it is greed.

when you seek to attain anything, you may term it excessive if anyone gets hurt in any way. Not only is hurting wrong, but the risk of hurting is the same as hurting.
If you think, you will see that this will cover all of the moral rules.

The only one that may not be covered is the 1st commandment. This needs further explanation but is not necessary to this thread.
John

[Profpat]

Originally Posted by Tina Well 'desire and will' certainly are powerful forces behind evil (see your own comments on Catholic Church history). But 'desire and will' are equally forces of good too. [I DESIRE THAT YOU TO TRY AGAIN]

Hi Tina;

Time for my daily guess, which would be language and/or tool making.

Is it possible to have pure evil, without any good?

Best to all,

Pat

[Tina]

Originally Posted by everymansmedium 2 choices: GREED + EXCESS ....It has nothing to do with wanting. ...pitfall.... if you get too close. ....There is only one consciousness. What separates us as individuals is DATA. Life is ONE SINGLE ORGANISM. We must respond to the material side only to maintain the body/interface.... There is no evil except for the negation of live. Hence the reverse of live is evil. = live|evil. The idea of greed, + .... The word here is (((excess))) You might want to consider that single word as the root. But truly it is greed. John

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John, I have simplified your reply and I hope it still retains your meaning.To me you present a dynamic effect of evil rather than the cause....What causes the human greed for example to move towards excess...what causes....LIVE to be reversed into EVIL.

IF "free will is the freedom to calculate how to achieve survival" why is
excess our calculated best...what DATA is being used to produce the effects of excess? You really have described symptoms rather than causes.

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[Tina]

Originally Posted by Profpat Hi Tina; Time for my daily guess, which would be language and/or tool making. Is it possible to have pure evil, without any good? Best to all, Pat

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Our Father, who is in heaven give us our daily.......guess?
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Language and toolmaking are evil only when abused you duffer!

What causes us to abuse them?

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[Profpat]

On the contrary, Augustine says (Contra Julian. i, 9): "There is no possible source of evil except good."

Hi Tina;

New guess listed above.

A most excellent thread. Looking for the answers has me researching Rousseau, Buddha, and now Augustine.

Well back to my research.

Best,

Pat

[Tina]

Originally Posted by Profpat On the contrary, Augustine "There is no possible source of evil except good." New guess listed above. A most excellent thread. Looking for the answers has me researching Rousseau, Buddha, and now Augustine. Best, Pat

Hmmm? Seek and you will find something I'm sure! But hint - no one to my knowledge has correctly identified the root of evil yet!

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[RascalPuff]

Originally Posted by Tina Hmmm? Seek and you will find something I'm sure! But hint - no one to my knowledge has correctly identified the root of evil yet! [GO ON PROFPAT - BAFFLE ME WITH THEIR WISDOM]

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The socially imparted, Darwinistically apocryphal incentive to capriciously empower one's self at the imposed expense of disempowering someone else (often in the shadow of entertainment, counter-ennui and humor) may have a lot to do with it.

(Refer 'One-up-man-ship', and 'Gotcha'ism' - Money, sex, racism, religion, appended...)

- Paraphrased from Eric Fromm's Anatomy of Human Destructiveness.

Best regards,
- RP

[safwan]

Just wondering if reflecting on the concept of "D-evil" and what does it signify, may lead to the root of "evil"??

[Tina]

Originally Posted by safwan Just wondering if reflecting on the concept of "D-evil" and what does it signify, may lead to the root of "evil"??

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Oh wonderful - now say aloud the syllables seperately - D and EVIL. What do you hear?

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